pro-troops, how come
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Are u pro-war, now there´s troops involved, how come?
- UnitedStates0
Apparently you think the US should not be declaring war?
France leads a peacful & innocent anti-Iraqi war movement?
France currently leads the anti-Iraqi war movement. The same country who is owed billions (France now has an estimated $4 billion in debts owed to it by Iraq as a result of arms sales and infrastructure construction projects) from Suddam for selling them more than 50 Mirage F-1 jets and an unknown number of Gazelle attack helicopters (according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies). The importation of military goods by Iraq is banned under U.N. Security Council resolutions passed since the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The French parts transfers to Iraq may be one reason France has so vehemently opposed U.S. plans for military action against Iraq. No wonder the French are opposing the US. You must keep in mind that France has been Iraq's best friend in the West. French arms sales to Baghdad were boosted in the 1970s under Premier Jacques Chirac, the current president. Mr. Chirac once called Saddam Hussein a "personal friend.
NO US blood for oil!
The mere prospect of a U.S. presence in the region troubles the French and Russians -- both key to the U.N. drive to head off war. The French have long been a major player in developing Iraqi fields. And the Russians, via companies such as Lukoil, are angling for a piece of the action. They, too, are worried about anything that causes crude-oil prices to fall. The war "is totally about oil," says a top executive at France's TotalFinaElf. Adds Simon G. Kukes, chief executive of Russia's Tyumen Oil: "I don't see much room for Russian oil companies" in postwar Iraq.
France is by far the biggest player. The giant TotalFinaElf now has development rights to roughly 25% of total Iraqi reserves. Iraq owes Moscow $8 billion in Soviet-era debt. In 1997, Lukoil [French company] signed a $3.5 billion, 23-year deal to revive Iraq's al-Qurnah field, which has 7.8 billion barrels of proven reserves. But the accord was put on ice since President Vladimir V. Putin's support for the U.S.-led sanctions drive.Nobody is innocent.
- unknown0
Tanx for the speach; all I asked was how some people can turn on their views when, wich is pretty natrual, troops are deployd. All of a sutton it´s like the troops must be supported by any means, don´t matter if one where pro- or antiwar, when there still was no actual combat.
And by the way, UnitedStates, I don´t like ANY capitalisticMFs, no matter where they come from.
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- BonSeff0
people can hate on us all day and night but i feel when its over, and a year from now, the citizens of iraq will have a better quality of life
thats my hope anyway
- 0711830
Therefore, the ends justify the means?
- unknown0
UnitedStates thanks for the entertainment
The iraqi civilians are innocent
- cab2k40
I see UNITEDSTATES knows how to cut and paste. Wasnt even relevant to the question.
So now bush has the right to step into countries and dictate how it should be run?>lmao
maybe he should step into ethopia and help there people, i am sure they suffer, no?better life for the iraqi people, lmao ya thats what it is about.
- exador0
wow...
I'll bet they're soooo grateful to be receiving the divine gift of democracy from the barrel of a gun.they can now join the long distingished list of other countries that have been given this wonderful gift, wrapped up in dead civilians....
China 1945-46, 1950-53
Korea 1950-53
Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-61
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1983-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Former Yugoslavia 1999
Iraq 1991-20??
Afghanistan 1998, 2001-02sooooo...
what EXACTLY in this history of bombing countries for the good of their people makes anyone think that Iraq will 'suddenly' embrace democracy....
in a country barely held together with 1000 year old scores to settle...yeah...i'll bet in a year, they'll be loving all things american, and eating at newly franchised mcdonalds...
you're some good folks here on NT....and some of you in this particular thread usually have some intersting viewpoints...
but seriously...
this is not going to go well....
for iraqi civilians ...or the poor unfortunate soldiers that were sent on a fools errand.just my POV though..
i don't claim to be an authority on this or anything...
but i just haven't seen too many countries 'liberated' by america that suddenly turned out all rosey.i guess we'll see soon enough...
- unfittoprint0
US/UK are doin' a wonderful job down there....
[insert sarcasm right about....here]
- monokrom0
It's not over until it's over. In fact, it's really just begun.
There's still a chance that the United States could get its ass spanked in Iraq. Wars aren't decided by technological superiority and strength or arms alone.
As an American, I'm torn. I don't want any harm to come to any American soldiers (my father is a veteran), but, at the same time, I see my government behaving like the geopolitical equivalent of the local belligerent drunken asshole. Sometimes, even if the local belligerent drunken asshole is your father or brother, you almost wish that someone would beat the living hell out of them the next time they start their crap in the hope that they it might be a wakeup call for them.
- slick0
"The iraqi civilians are innocent"
so were ours.
- monokrom0
slick - Iraq has fought a war with Iran and invaded Kuwait but Iraq has never attacked the United States.
You know that most of the Sept 11th hijackers were Saudi and that none were Iraqi right?
- UnitedStates0
monokrom Iraq is attacking the US financialy. Read my new thread titled "Read this ONLY if..."
It is a lot to read but worth it. You will get a lot from it and it can be crossed checked from several world resources.
- exador0
they sure were slick...
so don't you think it's time something was done to track down and get the people RESPONSIBLE?
what the hell man....
get osama...
go after the cells in saudi...there were NO iraqis on those planes dude...not a single one..
try as some might to make a connection..
one does not exist..iraq did not sell the planes to osama..
the planes weren't full of WMD...
iraq didn't traing the freaks to fly them into buildings...(innocent american instructers did that)infact, iraq did not ONE thing to you not only for 911...
but ..like, EVER....when has iraq ever launched an attack against the continental US?
when has iraq ever used WMD against the US?
when has it EVER been proven that Iraq deals with OSAMA?
(considering the fact that osama has been trying to assasinate Saddam for years)the answer to this is pretty easy.
there is only one aggresor here that needs to be checked...
the United States.
sad as it is to say...you'll be reaping the rewards for this war for a generation...
best of luck...
- slick0
of course.
but in my eyes, saddam is no different than those people.
he may have gone his whole life without ever even thinking of hurting an american. But that didnt stop him from having weapons of mass-destruction and using them here-and-there on some of his people and what not.
I dont agree with emposing our government on other countries. I dont agree that a full-scale war was necessary to rid Iraq of its leaders.
I am glad we're over there. How ever he is stopped, I'm glad he wont be there anymore. If even half of what the media (god hate them) says is true, hes killed and hurt more of his civilians than we will in this big fiasco.
- UnitedStates0
this war has NOTHING to do with 911! Is your media telling you that we are caliming that? Show me where an official representing the US has stated this!
This war is about OIL! This war is about the greedy French, Germans, China and Russia ALL who have agreements with the Iraqi regime. All except the US and the UK since we support Isreal! These agreements would put our economic state in disaster. I will be damned to let that happen. Read that long thread I posted!
- exador0
i did read it United States...
and if you've watched your president for the past year...he's repeatedly tried to connect Iraq to al quaida...
when in fact you're quite right...
this war has NOTHING to do with WMD at all..
1st the call was to disarm
or we'll disarm you.that wasn't quite good enough..
so next came the whispers of Regime change..
so it didn't really matter if they got rid of jack shit...so long as saddam was gone..then the coalition of the billing came in..
and rolled across the sand..
and are they looking for weapons of mass destruction?
are they stopping once saddam has been taken out of power?
nope..
the current generalisimo running things over their has said that this is more important than 'one man'..and his death or removal wouldnt stop the 'allies' from their 'mission'.....
yep...
you're damn right this is about oil..killing for oil..
you soldiers in peril for oil
civillian casualty's for oil.
"These agreements would put our economic state in disaster. I will be damned to let that happen."
wow...
these arrangements look pretty much exactly like what the US would do ...
so....
which lands us back at square one.
this is NOT a righteous war.
this is not about liberating anyone.this is not about WMD.
this is bush economics.
"if you've arrived at a deal where the americans are disadvantaged....
we'll kill you."
kaboom...
but only if you're brown skinned and sitting on oil..
bombing white folks that are christian wouldn't play so well on CNN...
United States.
it would seem to me that we agree on more than a few things..the one thing we don't seem to agree on is whether or not its a good policy to kill people for their natural resources, and over deals they made with other countries...
personaly..i've always sort of been against killing people..
but that's just me
;)
- lnu0
Why is it that everytime you question this war and a pro-war person (american or not) is present he will immediately call you an america-hater?
People don't hate America, they hate war. I though about this as I was listening to the news today. When you hear on the news this war isn't going as well as expected for the US, you don't go "Yes! Take that America!", you go "let this stupid war end as soon as possible." At least I do.
- slick0
truthfully, i dont think any of us know for sure what this war is about.
+ one for oil
+ one for security from dic(k)tators.
+ one for americans being bullysin sitting here thinking about this whole thing, ive realized something. If i can believe that one man and a group of his colleagues can use weapons of ANY kind on another country in the middle east, why cant i think the same thing about our country? (as much as i dont want to)
Ive realized that if i were to walk into a room full of people and just yell out "he uses weapons against other countries to get what he wants", i could be talking about dozens of world leaders, including Iraq, including America.
Maybe force is never justified and humanity should never move down that path.
back to the point of this thread, i support our troops right now. And while im not "pro-war" and not "anti-use of force", my fellow countrymen are being shot at right now. Their lives are in danger and mine is not (directly) because of them. And i dont support Iraqi troops because they are shooting at my fellow Americans. Yes i support our troops over there right now, even though im not quite sure how to feel about the people that put them there.
- slick0
lnu, thats actually refreshing to hear.
i guess having an American mentality, ive always automatically assumed if you werent with us, you were against us.
I see your point. Not to sound weird; point well taken.
- suehtemorp0
It's sad seeing soldiers and civilians killed during this war.
When I see an American soldier laying bead in the desert, I know it's the fault of George Bush, as he sent them to their deaths for his gain. The blood of all the dead will be on Bush's hands. The Iraqi's are only defending themeselves- would anyone do any less?