WYSIWYG or Hand Code?
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- theflow0
hang on, i didn't think .net had been out that long anyway?
But then again, why do i care?Oh god, does this mean i'm beginning to turn in to *one of them*
- sp0
it was just a poor name for a product line...
ms realized that. the architecture and dk's won't change....it's just the name.
- mitsu0
"lots of crap for not a lot of functionality - especially when you can do the same exact thing in an freely available language."
um...now your talking out your ass man. i can do anything in ASP that you can do in PHP, and possibly more... especially when coupled with VB/MS office/ and COM/COM+. not trying to see who has the bigger stick, but rather to inform you that you are comparing ford to chevy and it's obvious that you have only ever driven a ford. ;)
regarding .net... yeah, it's a marketing campaign targeting ms-fanboys.
- angelus350
Wow, there's probably no good reason this thread got this big even.. We should all just start making our sites in MS Word so that we can be unified!
Come together everyone!
- sp0
not really - in order to run the majority of ms code you have to have ms products - where as with open coding languages you can run across platforms.
installing asp on a server that isn't shitty iis is a chore, and ends up being just a hack anyway - it doesn't use the full power of asp.
vb, and com don't find their place amont linux, but php and perl can easily be used on windows.
like i said, a lot of crap for not much more functionality.
why should i spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for servers, hardware and licenses when you can do the same, if not more - and especially with more versatility with open languages?
i like some microsoft products - but, i prefer free shit over paying out the ass.
:)
- CAJTBr0
"being able to handcode is not designing..."
"to get html to work properly in every browser and to lower the file size etc....could be considered an artform becuase it is an absolute pain in the ass.... But its not design"
okay, are you talking about graphic design or web design? if you're talking about web design then i think that's a crock of shit. in web design (simplified), you can do one of three things: you can plan (design) how a site is going to look; you can plan (design) how this site is going to be transferred to the user's screen; you can do both.
obviously, the third one is more 'design' than the other two taken seperately, but the second one taken on its own involves a design process (and is therefore 'design') just as the first is design. you can say 'well the end result on the user's screen is the same', but it doesn't work that way, a navigational experience is not a static thing that the user waits for and then it appears on their screen as a single instance.
you go ahead and think purely about aesthetics if you like, but if you want to get all 'MORE DESIGN THAN THOU' you have to recognise that there will be other people out there designing the aesthetics while also designing the method of transferring that from a server to a user, designing a method of allowing a the associated data to be efficiently updated, designing methods allowing the end user to interact with that data better, et cetera. and those people truly are more design than thou.
- mitsu0
sp, that's a valid argument if you are running your own servers and i'll back you up on that.
but it has no weight for an ASP developer. you think i've paid a dime for choosing ASP? nope.
- sp0
that is true.
- mrdobolina0
I do flash without a wysiwyg. I hand code everything. Oh and my penis is larger than yours. and I can pee further.
- mitsu0
swelling from STD's doesn't count.
- PuFFi0
mozilla composer.... ???
- Droid0
"handcoders" who try to blame
wysiwyg, are kind of foolish.