WYSIWYG or Hand Code?
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- mrdobolina0
Firstly, I am not directing this towards anyone in particular. It is just a general rant.
The holier than thou attitude around Newstoday.com amuses me. There is room for everyone. A small business in the Midwest USA is not going to pay an agency of 20 designers, coders, cognitive psychologists and other people to create a ten page site with a little php backend. If you design sites in DW and the client pays for them, are you not a designer?
Secondly, Just because you arent designing for fucking Benetton or Diesel doesnt make the other guy any less significant.
Its all innate bullshit if you ask me. Many people feel they need to berate others to show their superiority when really it just shows their inadequacy.
Remember that this coming from a guy that does both hand coding and uses a wysiwyg, knows a bit of php, actionscripting, perl and so on.
Sorry if this offends, but I bet a lot of people will agree.
End of Rant.
- unknown0
Unfortuneately DreamWeaver lost a lot of users by about version 3... I think it's something you grow out of.
What does MX actually stand for? 1010?
- ********0
If this thread doesn't promote Newstoday to official dork wad status I don't know what will...
- unknown0
you?
- mrdobolina0
Sorry about that rant before, I feel much better now.
- sp0
i actually agree with the rant. surpisingly enough to some.
:)
- ********0
how can this be such a sensitive subject?
It's simple for me:
I use wysiwyg to set the desired layout with DW, then dive into BBEdit with those files to clean up the code (make it validate) and use CSS whenever possible.
Nuthin' special here....move on, people.
- theflow0
hand coding, every time. I'm still learning to code - only been doing it a few months. Having learnt how to do the basics (just about) by hand, looking a site made in dreamweaver just gives me a headache. Notepad is a lot more user friendly ;)
right on mrdobolina - you get my vote
- ********0
"looking a site made in dreamweaver just gives me a headache. Notepad is a lot more user friendly ;)
"tru dat.
But you can work with a split window...to correct ya code when DW is about to fuck up, and then it is a breeze to check and correct in BBEdit, Wordpad, TextEditor or your typewriter or whatever....
- Blofeldt0
I make all my sites out of wood.
- sp0
actually, homesite is a nice little program, as is html-kit. or ultraedit if you really like using just text-editors.
or, for those of you out there, like me, on linux, bluefish and quanta instead vi or xemacs...
i hate vi.
- mrdobolina0
ha blofeldt,
sit on the front porch and whittle them with my pocket knife.
- kentaro0
"plus, if a designer can't work unless he has dreamweaver, then he doesn't have the skill to be doing it in the first place. "
SP you totally just contradicted yourself.......
DOES ANYONE HERE REALIZE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS INDUSTRY.... html/php/asp/jsp.... this is not designing....and using dreamweaver is not designing...being able to handcode is not designing...
all any of us can think about is this CRAP....and its crap... DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGN...the art of making things look good....
I mean seriously we have let this industry corrupt us for too long....we are worried about making our images 50k instead of 54k.... COME ON...
Thats for the production crew to worry about....we have all forgotten where we came from...now there are some of you that came from no background in art but you are now doing postcards and flyers...and the reason was that you started in websites and grew from there...
HOW NICE IS IT TO DESIGN AN AD....color correct it and send it off to the printers regardless of size....... and that you dont have to cut it up.....
SP think about it .......doing DW doesnt make you a designer......and neither does handcoding..... designing is art people....and what html is .......even though most would say its the easiest shit.... its programming....
Now I agree with this fact about HTML only.... to get html to work properly in every browser and to lower the file size etc....could be considered an artform becuase it is an absolute pain in the ass.... But its not design
Seriously people.... you need to evaluate what you consider design because I think everyone has forgotten...there is more to design....
If you have added html and php to your arsenal to charge more thats fine but think about it by doing that you now make it harder for the artists out there .... because now we are no longer designing...
Anyone see the 2a job listing...they want someone that is an awesome designer and knows practically every technology in existence....
THEY ARE ON CRACK... and there is no way that any of them at that place know all of the above....
Sorry for this book...but I was pissed....clients never understand what it takes to get something to look properly on the net.... or even on paper...
ITs the tree in the forest....if a tree falls in the forest did it ever make a sound? If you spend 7 hours on that stupid pixel problem and don't tell anyone...would they ever know you did it?
- sp0
hm...interesting. but, design applys to more than creative, artsy things.
design itself is the creation and production of something both visual and technical.
architecture is 'design' but doesn't have to be artsy or creative. it can be simply structrual development...but it's still techically design.
:)
i agree with some parts...
and, no, technically html isn't 'code', it is markup - and there is a difference.
design is an encompassing word - someone can design a bomb, or someone can design a flyer.
both are true, if you are using the word 'design'.
- ********0
you're all dork wads
- sp0
:)
never said i wasn't.
- dsmith70
If it s a backend project I have to hand-code. DW kills any backend languages like Perl or PHP so in these instances I make my initial page in DW then do all the backend in BB Edit.
- Blofeldt0
My other method. Is to type out my websites on a word processor in comic sans and then duplicate them using a Banda machine (usually in bright green or pink ink) and then post them to the 'Internet.'
- sp0
i'm not a big fan of any of the ms languages.
lots of crap for not a lot of functionality - especially when you can do the same exact thing in an freely available language.
i noticed at barnes and noble, thought that all the .net books are 50% off now - because ms is changing the name from .net to something else - more like ms server 2003 - instead of .net server.
:)