jk: global warming myth
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- xrusos
http://www.aim.org/publications/…
hey jk... i'm all for saving the planet... and for good use of our resources... but i'm also for scientific data.
(posted in response to the latest NTB)
- jox0
maybe then I could get some fokkin decent temperature in this cold country... 'bout time!
- CAJTBr0
"Do not believe computers"
- xrusos0
:) you like that CAJTBr, don't you?
- xrusos0
all that said... i still think that the tips for conserving our energy and resources at http://www.futureforests.com/ are good... it's just based on faulty science.
you can still get the right conclusion even with faulty reasoning.
- k0na_an0k0
save the planet. kill yourself.
- spk0
hey xrusos
linking to a conservative bullshit web site doesnt do much to convince anyone that global warming is myth my friend.... there is overwhelming evidence of "global climate change" even bush's people have admitted as much...
reference sites:
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_env…
and much more direct and non partisan -
http://www.whoi.edu/home/about/w…
read and learn. nice link JK.
- jawbreaker0
The Future and Its Enemies: The Growing Conflict over Creativity, Enterprise, and Progress
by Virginia Postrel
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
Global Warming and Other Eco Myths: How the Environmental Movement Uses False Science to Scare Us to Death
by Ronald Bailey
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
The Satanic Gases
by Patrick J. Michaels, Robert C. Balling
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
Ecoscam: The False Prophets of Ecological Apocalypse
by Ronald Bailey
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World
by Bjorn Lomborg
- spk0
jeezus... every glacier on the planet is shrinking at an alarming rate... 5 of the hottest years in the past century were in the last 10... and some people want to listen to mouthpieces for the energy industry ...
http://www.gristmagazine.com/boo…
we want to save the planet for you and your children as well as ours. thats all.
- d_t_p0
the last book listed by jawbreaker is written by someone, bjorn lomborg, unanimously condemned by the scientific community. he is known for wholly ignoring sources of data that do not support is pre-determined conclusion.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/sci…
do not believe something simply because it conveniently agrees with your prior views. forming knowledgeable ideas and beliefs requires actual thought.
- jawbreaker0
Green with Ideology
The hidden agenda behind the "scientific" attacks on Bjørn Lomborg’s controversial book, The Skeptical Environmentalist.
- d_t_p0
do you have any of your own opinions, jawbreaker?
- jawbreaker0
ad hominem ?
- d_t_p0
we dont know anything about eachother so we couldn't really claim anyone has conflicting interests.
i'm not attacking anyone, neither are you. and neither are the scientists who are pointing out the er in lomborg's claims. they are saying that he did not follow a scientific process.
it's good to be skeptical.
and if something is ad hominem, it doesn't say something isn't false, just that someone's interests do not make their argument a fallacy.
- jawbreaker0
I'm just trying to provide some "alternative views".
(not that anyone should give a f@#k) I've defined my philosphical/polital beliefs through rational inquiry and my own experience. This is what's wrong with intellectual discourse in today's culture--anyone that disagrees with someone is "spewing lies" "brainwashed" or "not thinking for themselves" (and there's plenty of that going around on all sides)
There is an entire environmentalist INDUSTRY using scare tactics to raise money, and their interests are more self preservation(and obfusacted political agendas) than making sure people have clean air to breathe.
(It's pretty easy to be "for" vague concepts like "clean air"--actually this is a classic propaganda technique)
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--on a side note, some excellent books on Propaganda/methods:Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes
by Jacques EllulCoersion
by Douglas Rushkoff
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i digress.....the issues involved are certainly more complex than protest chants + bumperstickers
- jawbreaker0
and my typing blows ...
- spk0
your typing isnt the only thing aside from millions of SUV tailpipes that blows hot polluting air.
an extensive article with 26 years of empirical scientific data collected not for one interest group or another but entirely incidentally which clearly indicates global climate change -
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/0…im afraid your rush limbaugh backed "scientists" dont have the facts on their side.
- unknown0
thumbs up for Jason Kristofer!
Great he uses the very much respected NTB sections for good cause...
Just bringing the attention to folks might change one (or hopefully more)..
Well done, Jason!
- quamb0
aye, keep pumpen the air with pollution, according to some, global warming is a myth.
right on...
- unknown0
If you say the holocaust is a myth you might get arrested...
hmm...maybe in the (near) future the same must apply for this.
(not wanting to be offensive, the holocaust was one of the worst things that ever happened...thing is: pollution may make even more victims on the long run!!!)
- jawbreaker0
you're proving my point with the smear bullshit. for some reason, I must be "for" pollution because I happen to question something. I'm sorry for challenging your religion. I'm sure I'll be able to outrun those melting iceburgs
and I'm Neither a Republican nor do I think Rush Limbaugh is a credible intellectual.