The beginning of the end of PC culture?
The beginning of the end of PC culture?
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we already have a signs you're getting old thread.
- Worrying about free speech is getting old?jagara
- what is it you want to say you feel you are not allowed to? genuinely interested.fadein11
- My problem is more with political correctness as a tool for social change. I think it is massively flawed.jagara
- Not allowing certain opinions to be heard will not remove problematic issues like racism, phobias etc, it will simply displace them underground to fester...jagara
- what is your definition of political correctness?fadein11
- ... and eventually rear their ugly heads later on, in a stronger form.jagara
- Free and open speech is a sign of a healthy democracy. Allowing people you don't like to say things that you don't like should be obvious.jagara
- In in that regard, democracy has a serious problem these days.jagara
- And if certain speech gets outright illegal, will it stop there? I don't want to use ethnic slurs or shame people. In fact, I think no one should.jagara
- But do I think it should be legal? Absolutely.jagara
- By ethnic slurs and shaming do you mean hate speech or just banter?fadein11
- ^ the issue is, what defines 'hate speech'. If I define it, I can control what you can say.monNom
- Terms being redefined or expanded in their meaning will interact with laws that were written in the past considering different definitions of those words.monNom
- banter isn't acceptable either though, sigh. Where's that sarcasm emoji. It's very different from a UK perspective, most of our media leans the other way.fadein11
- Political correctness outrage is only used for clicks over here. We have a very right leaning govt who partly got elected on culture war BS.fadein11
- Making words='violence' can make expressing an opinion a 'violent' act. And we have laws especially for violent crime because it is considered especially bad.monNom
- Funny think is the UK had its big culture war in the 80's so I don't think it has the same impact as N.America and other parts of the world.fadein11
- We've had "Muslims have cancelled *INSERT HOLIDAY*" for 20ish years. I'm fascinated when people claim their freedom of speech has been curtailed. Examples plsfadein11
- NA did in the 80s and early 90s. This new push probably started around 2010. Something about the left's changing demographics maybe?monNom
- @fadein11 thanks for being genuinely interested btw. That way you learned what my perspective is :)jagara
- Wether or not you agree with what the truckers did in Canada it was wrong to block bank their accounts and their donors. That was a Chinese style move.Chimp
- It's funny how the "open minded" woke became the most closed minded people.Chimp
- ^ precisely. Label working-class protestors terrorists, then use anti-terrorism laws to break up their protest.monNom
- who are these 'woke' people ruining your lives! I want to meet one, I'll put him, her them over my knee I tell theefadein11
- The Canadian government banning protests and blocking bank accounts.Chimp
- that's a govt overstepping the line but wtf has it got to do with political correctness?fadein11
- "white privilege", suggesting white pupils are at an advantage, is the "opposite" of the reality for poor white
https://www.bbc.com/…Chimp - you're a Brit living in Spain yeah?fadein11
- No one in poverty has an advantage, this is pretty basic stuff. who has let those kids down, dn't get your point.fadein11
- @fade11 That government uses the language of PC as a cynical cudgel. Rural, working class are labelled racists, misogynists, etc. thus not deserving a voice.monNom
- I have noticed how bad the culture war in Canada has got, Peterson etc, rode the wave. It's not quite the same here. So I prob shouldn't comment.fadein11
- Like I said we had brutal cancel culture in the 80's when a whole generation of prime time entertainers went back to the working mans clubs infadein11
- a year or twofadein11
- Also, the default for most of the UK is slightly racist (above a certain age). They elect the govts.fadein11
- I wonder how much PC culture and not listening to the working class played in Brexit.Chimp
- It's not that there's a "culture war" in Canada. We have a cohesive, multi-ethnic society, even in rural parts. The PC stuff is all divide and conquer for powermonNom
- this idea of cancel culture is nonsense in the UK. Many Brexit voters read The Sun and the Daily Mail for years, those papers were exercising their freefadein11
- speech and rightly so. The swarm of immigrants was a major threat to our fine Isle. Thank heavens we stopped it.fadein11
- When newspapers like the Mail and Sun start talking about cancel culture I always chuckle. It's like they never had a platform to speak to.fadein11
- The News of the World got cancelled and as if by magic it rose again as the Sun on Sunday. I feel sorry for all these voices being silenced on this fair Islefadein11
- Likely, as in Canada, you need that "swarm of immigrants" as tax-payers funding your services into old age. I wouldn't look down my nose at them.monNom
- I know plenty of left working class who read the Mirror who voted for Brexit. I don't think it's wrong to question the high numbers of immigrants.Chimp
- There should have been a sensible debate on immigration rather than calling anyone a racist who would like a slightly lower level.Chimp
- @nom yep it's 100% divide and conquer. always has been. It's mainly about inventing a threat/enemy that doesn't actually exist.fadein11
- Can you now see how this woke culture played a part in Brexit?Chimp
- it still amazes me how a few very bright people here lose their shit over it.fadein11
- @fade It does polarise people.Chimp
- we have higher numbers of immigrants post Brexit. We never had a swarm of immigrants, we took about 30,000 Syrians, Germany took nearly a million.fadein11
- Immigration is not a drain on resources.fadein11
- You're right. They never wanted to stop mass immigration, that was just the trick to get the votes. Perhaps the country needs it as the birth rate is so low.Chimp
- it's meant to.monNom
- There were sensible debates but Farage and co or Cummings were just far better at communicating the message, along with the millions of social media postsfadein11
- (polarize, that is)monNom
- what's incredible is how a few ageing back bench tories actually steered it, it took them a long time but they got there in the end.fadein11
- Even Le Pen said it's better to be inside the EU than out. Incredible how childish some of these huge decisions actually are.fadein11
- I'm not sure who was steering it, that shit goes deep. But let's leave that for conspiracy of the day.Chimp
- The euro sceptics had been a thorn in the side of the tory party for decades, obsessed with the evil of it allfadein11
- The only true point they had was the sovereignty issue. Wether you like it or not the plan is to have a federal Europe.Chimp
- such an incredibly successful project, they managed to convince those most reliant on the EU that everything would be better/okfadein11
- As a Europhile, I would rather the UK be in the EU and help reform it.Chimp
- as 10's of billions left the city of London, they talked about our fish. lol. I'm over it but drunk. Goodnight.fadein11
- Buenas noches :)Chimp
- same, i never understood the strategy of leaving, get some good MEP's in there, not showboaters like Farage. Remain and reform,fadein11
- Sovereignty though, what does that even mean?fadein11
- Monetary sovereignty is one way to look at it.Chimp
- The sovereignty issue seemed to me that laws were emanating from brussels, and you had to comply. Immigration policy was one, but there as an enviro law too IRCmonNom
- we had that, we got to keep £££.
we had the most flexible deal in Europe.fadein11 - Which feels a bit like royal proclamationsmonNom