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    I know evrything's back to normal and people are going on with life but daily deaths in the US from covid are still 3500, highest ever

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    • that's a 9-11 attack every day so that patriots like hayoth and pr2 can understand_niko
    • is it in addition of 8200 that die in US every day of natural causes?? or are the 8k+ deaths/day not too much of concern for you?pr2
    • COVID-19 was an inside job!utopian
    • yo! 8200 from 150,000 different possible causes vs 3500 from one single cause?
      you really think it's insignificant ? lol      _niko
    • i wouldn't justify it in any way but you had two thirds the Covid cases in Jan 22 alone as all of 2021 - 15 day avg mortality etc. it's going to go down soonkingsteven
    • I guess their logic is that 3500 are going to die from something else anyway? is that the gist? because the lack of empathy and concern is bafflinginteliboy
    • hah, bonkers reasoning from pr2. massive excess from covid... very few flu deaths so that 3500 is all excesskingsteven
    • if you're choosing not to get the jab, we're not stopping the world for you. you can't be more invested in someone else health than that person.hotroddy
    • i wonder how many 3-graders in here understand that VAST MAJORITY of covid death are actually deaths WITH covid and not because of it.pr2
    • Ok but they're almost entirely unvaxxed, so really what are you complaining about?zarkonite
    • you seem to think we deaths for covid like we do the flu... https://gis.cdc.gov/… excess mortality from covid is through the roof atmkingsteven
    • *record deathskingsteven
    • hahaha pr2 keep telling yourself that, it's been debunked a million times over. You're grasping at straws. Time for your milk and cookies and jammy jams._niko
    • oh my god, what a bunch of fools who have zero consideration (or ability) for looking more deeply into data.pr2
    • in UK (though the same is probably true of US), there were 128k covid deaths but only 17k were with just covid.pr2
    • of that 13k were in 65+ yo.pr2
    • if you extrapolate this date and look at your 3500 daily covid deaths, only 100 people actually die of covid.pr2
    • you know, math is a wonderful thing to understand.pr2
    • of 3500 "covid" deaths only ~500 are just covid and of that that only ~100 are of people younger that 65yo.pr2
    • https://i.pinimg.com…_niko
    • The only cause of death is dying.
      Wake up sheeple!      palimpsest
    • In the UK we don't even require a positive test to say it was covid. This is how deaths are recorded for flu and I'm comparing the two...kingsteven
    • for a 'flu season' without the flu the excess death is far higher than usual because the rona is contributing to the death of old folkskingsteven
    • there is still a 10 - 20% weekly excess with no flu virus to speak of https://www.cdc.gov/…kingsteven
    • It's amazing that people like pr2 haven't figured this out by now... of course no one dies only of COVID. There is almost always some other complication, likeyuekit
    • respiratory failure. This has been debunked again and again by doctors, virologists etc.yuekit
    • In fact a death where COVID is the recorded only cause is likely a mistake, not the other way around. Did they forget to teach you that in third grade??yuekit
    • "It's not the fall that kills you; it's the sudden stop at the end."palimpsest
    • And he thinks we don't get it while he quotes the anon vaccine adverse reaction report deaths without breaking them down or considering how many it's saving.kingsteven
    • At least apply the same logic to both... Noones even saying it's an unacceptable amount of death, just that it's weird to brush off what was previously alarmingkingsteven
    • We can't comprehend pr2's logic. Our poor third grader minds will never ascend to his plane.palimpsest
    • It's only normal. A higher being will seem like a moron to lesser entities.
      Pearls to swine.      palimpsest
    • Something tells me he will be moving on from comment sectionbogue
    • oh, you dummies:
      https://www.youtube.…      pr2
    • you guys just like the smell of your own bullshit.pr2
    • Lol “I’m not a real doctor, but I play one on YouTube”_niko
    • @pr2 i've watched that video, you have missed the point entirely. i have underlying conditions and i'm 39. if your over 65 and don't have one, you probably justkingsteven
    • unaware. here's a post i made 2 years ago https://www.qbn.com/…kingsteven
    • i work with people in the same role as dr john campbell and they are about as knowledgable as it gets about clinical treatment and statisticskingsteven
    • some medical doctors not so much, i really dont get that 'not a real doctor' viewpointkingsteven
    • Just trolling pr2, not questioning his credentials just that he’s a single voice and his platform is YouTube_niko
    • In the UK excess deaths are now lower than pre-pandemic times.Chimp
    • king, so by your logic, we should all dance around you because you have underlying conditions?pr2
    • stats tells us that an average 39 yo (clearly not you) has nothing to fear from covid. period.pr2
    • no, no one has even suggested that, as the OP said it is odd that restrictions are being lifted just as deaths are (hopefully) peaking for this 'wave'kingsteven
    • you jumped in with your usual irrelevant shit about how they would have died anyway. i've been critical of restrictions since the first lockdown but had to stopkingsteven
    • posting because of idiots like you cherry picking to force their agenda.kingsteven
    • the explanation is there is so many deaths because there were so many cases 15 days before. US has nearly matched 2021 cases already in 2022kingsteven
    • so it's actually very few deaths considering. here's another 2 year old post on how lockdowns are ineffective and how if restrictions aren't better thought outkingsteven
    • the dialog will be dominated by idiots https://www.qbn.com/…kingsteven
    • if that video was to be interpreted as you intended and i died from covid related pneumonia it would be entirely unrelated to my underlying conditionkingsteven
    • this is why we record all deaths with covid. i'm not saying it's not unlikely i'm saying it's irrelevant.kingsteven
    • https://blog.ons.gov…kingsteven
    • https://www.ons.gov.…kingsteven
    • Second is guidelines on how doctors should determine if Covid 19 as main cause of death (86% of cases with Covid listed on death cert)kingsteven
    • but none of that matters as we are comparing like-for-like daily death data. and you're just pushing a point that has no relevance to the conversation tokingsteven
    • people (i know in my case) that thought restrictions were too heavy handed and are happy to see them lifted... utter stupiditykingsteven
    • king, just like saying only 17k people die from covid is wrong so is to say that 3500 die per day from this virus. both are fraudulent statements.pr2
    • and it kinda blows my mind that i'm one of the few lonely voices here challenging obvious fiction of such statements.pr2
    • As I said, the daily reports are any mention of covid on the cert. When analysed to find if covid was the main cause of death it's been 86% throughout thekingsteven
    • pandemic so peaking at 3010 deaths when cases peaked at 1.3m in a day 28 days before is very encouraging.kingsteven
    • If you are over 50 it's very unlikely you won't have diabetes, heart conditions (that don't contribute) and if not and you go to ICU with covid you will likelykingsteven
    • Have hypertension or another condition. Doctors write down anything on your death cert and the lower figure is people that surprisingly die with only covidkingsteven
    • Covid melts steel pillarsmicrokorg
    • But as John Thompson even says in that video. excess deaths on a 5yr AVG compared to covid deaths is the most accurate and the US is beyond 3500kingsteven
    • UK has been below for nearly a week now, so hopefully it'll go that way everywhere soonkingsteven
    • I remember when the vaccine adverse reactions paper came out you wouldn't entertain the idea of co morbidities even though the people getting itkingsteven
    • Where overwhelmingly in groups with co-morbidities and the paper was mostly about how to interpret the (less reliable) data. If your going to pretend tokingsteven
    • Be scientific, at least apply the same methodskingsteven
    • excess deaths is a reliable data to judged excess deaths. how that excess happens is another story that you don't want to conciser.pr2
    • many many excess deaths are not covid but the covid fear that stops people from getting treatment for other sickness.pr2
    • where the hell you get 86% number from? absolutely noting i read says that.pr2
    • there is a weekly and monthly mortality analysis from ONS, previous FOIs give a tally:kingsteven
    • https://www.ons.gov.…kingsteven
    • Deaths involving COVID-19 (any mention on the death certificate) 63,864
      of which, deaths due to COVID-19 (underlying cause) 55,714      kingsteven
    • (around 87%) this is not the same figure as the weekly report (deaths mentioning covid) or the gov't stat (deaths within 28 days of infection)kingsteven
    • there is a rigorous process for analysing death certs to determine who would have died otherwise or 'due to covid' which is covid as underlying causekingsteven
    • the 'due to covid' number is the number used to determine the proportion of the excess deaths... but if comparing to flu (as i was earlier in this thread) orkingsteven
    • ILI graphs like the CDC one i shared you can use all cases recorded on death cert because this is how it's been done with flu for decadeskingsteven
    • there's obviously a different demographic breakdown due to age but that's also included in the analysis... otherwise it's comparing apples to orangeskingsteven
    • the deaths where only covid is on the cert is an interesting stat (obviously the wording of the FOI was very specific) but its not particularly useful onekingsteven
    • can't be arsed finding the stat but a very high proportion of covid deaths are from bacterial infection in the lungs which negates a lot of existing conditionskingsteven
    • https://www.ons.gov.…kingsteven
    • this url is too long to share here (tried earlier) it's the methodology for determining 'due to covid' in the UK if you google it it'll come upkingsteven
    • 1. u gotta compress your thoughts. they get lost in an endless litany of small 4-liners.pr2
    • 2. u misunderstand comorbidity definition. i'm pre diabetic so based on comorbidity list i should be concerned BUT i'm also in good health and not fat...pr2
    • ...so by stats i most like belong to 40 yo group that will be healthy DESPITE by so-called comorbidity.pr2
    • thus your analogy that lots of 50+ yo have comorbidities is quite far from reality of how covid will affect them.pr2
    • i'm usually walking the dog and on qbn on my phone soz. but you have misunderstood. it is pre-existing conditions excluded to bring the number to 17kkingsteven
    • not co-morbidities... your diabetes and my minor childhood heart condition would be on our death cert in the unlikely event of death and therefore we would bekingsteven
    • excluded from the 17k 'only covid' even though they are unlikely to contribute.kingsteven
    • the figure you are looking for that excludes co-morbidities is 'deaths due to covid' where the death cert is analysed to see if covid was the main cause ofkingsteven
    • death, and that figure is around 86% of reported deaths with Covid on the death cert.kingsteven
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