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    Starting to see quite a few of these papers saying that lockdown in France/Spain/UK has not done anything to prevent the spread... When you look at the deaths it's hard to imagine it could be much worse.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/…

    I'm fine with lockdown (for now) but I do think the idea that it's to help the heath care system being overloaded and protect old folks has been forgotten by the British public - From everything i've read it seems that limiting movement is the least effective (but most oppressive) of all measures and we're now well past the point where restricting people to their houses is effective in any way.

    Here's a (quite old now) video which has a bunch of 'toy' models to demonstrate how hygiene/social distancing/lockdown affect a population...

    I see family coming and going from 3 elderly neighbours houses, their adult kids wearing nurses uniforms while dropping off the grandkids... All my mates (with the exception of some customer service roles) are back at work - haven't seen a mask in weeks and few obeying the arrows and floor markings in shops.

    If it's not lifted soon and emphasis shifted towards hygiene/ social distancing/ isolating the venerable we're going to see a lot more of these 5G idiots crawl out of the woodwork and 'the new normal' perpetuated by a majority of:

    - "all lockdown protesters are stupid"
    - "considering calling the cops on my neighbours"
    - "i do no wrong" - submissive to authority (technically obeying the rules while potentially super spreading in a work and/or family context)

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    • Again a case of "every man for himself" in the US vs. solidarity in other countries.
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    • The death toll speaks for itself unfortunately. In Europe Govs moved the sky to keep the citizens safe and reduce as much as possible deaths...
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    • US and UK took the arrogance road and thought their better, while citizens paid the price. Sad.
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    • they're*
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    • Anyway, we can't draw bottom line, this is not over yet by any case. Let's speak again after a year
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    • think Sweden, Singapore, South Korea, New Zealand did a fuckin great job containing this, but each country is different, no best solution for all
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    • https://en.wikipedia…
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    • it all comes down to how much the Gov respects its citizens, this crisis revealed this best this year
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    • i think more than that graf it's the uk public's distrust of the uk public. the gov't getting away with all sorts because a majority of people think they'rekingsteven
    • contestants on 'the great british lockdown'... the government would have to convince them to end lockdown so why would they?kingsteven
    • You can't really go out and protest the Gov rn mate :/ we did that before, last year, we have a lefty Gov now that handles the crisis rather well
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    • plus the economy is still ok here, just a 4% deficit now, might be 8% by the end of the crisis, but still manageable, nobody freaking out
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    • the UK gov't want to come out of this at an advantage, pre-brexit. aiming for herd immunity and lockdown is their current distraction and future scapegoat.kingsteven
    • Just found out that the UK didn't closed borders even in this pandemic! I could actually come over for tea rn
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    • Sorry, here in LDN it's still 70% wearing masks, socially excludiing and oing their thing, 30% not being total assholes but getting along with shit.Nairn
    • If anything, I see complicit agreement with tabloid headlines that 'people are now scared to come out of their shells; rather than some overt want to normaliseNairn
    • The response here was as british, poragmatic, in-authoriatian and as hapless as one might expect from the UK - but it was not some Economy at all costsNairn
    • ...bullshit. Frankly, the reaction here was basically Sweden, minus degrees of class rubbing and remnant homogeneity.Nairn
    • The UK is not spain, france, germany or Italy - unless we're talking class strife or miners, we don't as a rule have police beating the shit out of populaceNairn
    • It's nuanced and flawed, but not some farcically-swiped stereotype from afar bullshit.Nairn
    • +1nairnFax_Benson
    • Oh thank God, because I read that back and thought "shit, I might have one cider too many to be posting coherently.." :)Nairn
    • i'm not sure if your point was meant to counter mine nairn. i think the british are too good at lockdown to require it, social distancing as it was in the weekkingsteven
    • I think I was aiming at grafician. I've read a few things recently echoing what you've suggested in terms of cost/benefit of measures taken, etc.Nairn
    • leading up to lockdown was all that was required - as your comments exemplify ' lockdown' is now a national sport, a matter of pride...kingsteven
    • ah, no - sorry, yes - I did mean you, where I referred to how I perceive things down here in LDN. I see general compliance, even if some people are workingNairn
    • ooh, i see what you mean.

      a paid for sport, at that.      Nairn
    • this porridgematic you speak of though... is it like a teasmaid in design but for oats?kingsteven
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