Paris, France
Paris, France
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This building represents a religion that raped and pillaged pretty much the whole world, and was responsible for genocide and mass murder for centuries. Who gives a fuck if it's destroyed. I mean really. How many miles of rainforest are we destroying every day? How many tonnes of rubbish are we dumping in the sea every day?
As usual, people crying about meaningless bullshit while totally ignoring real issues.
- I mean, not to massively oversimplify matters, or anything.Nairn
- https://i.kym-cdn.co…Nairn
- 300,000,000 euros already given towards it's renovation. Humanity and it's priorities are utterly fucked. Yes, it's pretty simple.set
- ...and someone like Nairn would rather try and argue on the internet about it, lol. Would rather try and belittle someone that is talking sense. Sad times.set
- We're destroying this planet, but Nairn would rather spend some time crying over meaningless bullshit, because WHY CAN'T WE HAVE BOTH? haha. Fuck - me.set
- There's no time for both. There's no time to waste hundreds of millions of pounds anymore. This place is dying, a little bit more every day, because of us.set
- Sorry if that's too simple for you.set
- The historical heritage of these churches is enormous. I find it sad for cultural and historical reasons, not religious.Bennn
- Same for all the things that have been destroyed by ISIS in the Middle East.Bennn
- If you want to compare all the money spent by the world that is not put on the environment ... you will be disappointed. But I understand a your point, setBennn
- finally somebody reasonable lol_niko
- Lol. Black metal set! I don't give a shit either.maquito
- I trust that you practice, absolutely, what you preach, set? No long flights to India; Use of plastic or foods that destroy ecosystems (soy)?Nairn
- I knew that'd be your empty, shallow little desperate attempt at saving face lol. Yes, I do everything I can, within reason.set
- Mods, please rename set to SetttNairn
- ... and not that I have to justify myself to the likes of you, but I think my volunteering in india probably offset the carbon footprint of the flight. Cunt.set
- I suspect it probably didn't, to be fair.Nairn
- I hold a similar disdain for religion, and care little for preserving its heritage, but also recognize this as a cultural symbol and art well beyond christianitmonospaced
- so benn, even culturally and historically, you'd rather pump 300Mil euros into it? for what? it serves no purpose._niko
- put that money into schools, into tech into the environment, into the future of mankind, look forward not backwards to a time of superstition and darkness._niko
- It's got to be okay to mourn this while also recognizing the world's environment problems at the same time. It's not one or the other, really.monospaced
- Ok great do you now feel like you've won Nairn? So because I took a flight to india, everything I'm saying is now somehow not valid?set
- Or is it that you're literally more interested in trying to prove me wrong than you are in saving this planet we live on? hahahahaset
- Not at all, I'm abroad at the moment after 5 years of not flying and not feeling great about it. I just think your oversimplification was a bit.. oversimplifiedNairn
- There are plenty of other rich people donating millions to environmental causes - nowhere near enough, but more every year.Nairn
- Because frankly, even if I spent all day every day in a field spraying aerosol cans skyward, does that in ANY WAY make what I'm saying less valid?set
- You can view this edifice as either a monument to a toxic belief system, or a high achievement for a millennium of human culture.. or, yknow, bothNairn
- Of course it fucking doesn't. So please, maybe try and elevate yourself from your petty interpersonal ego games and let's talk about the real issues... yea?set
- It's ok to recognise this as being a sad event, but doing so doesn't somehow come at the expense of all the other things to feel sorry about. It's not zero sum.Nairn
- What about if they upgrade it to a LEED certification when they rebuild?zarkonite
- haha_niko
- Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure Nairn agrees with my sentiment, how could any sane human not. But he doesn't like me, so his ego can't help but go on the attackset
- LOLset
- I suspect it's an ego that sees attack rather than just a couple of bemused asides and responses.Nairn
- What you've said above Nairn, is like suggesting it makes sense to spend money on a new TV while your house is burning down. BECAUSE WHY NOT HAVE BOTH. lolset
- haha don't dare for a second to try to convince yourself that your 'way to over simplify things' comment wasn't a way of trying to belittle me...set
- ...because you didn't agree with what I said. Actually I think you do agree, you just didn't like how I said it. Did you.set
- In 100 years when our planet is inhospitable, I'm sure we'll all be over the moon that we spent half a billion euros on a church that no one needs.set
- @niko The 300,000,000$ has been given by private groups. No public money there. This is their choice. I see no problem there.Bennn
- Should those groups invest the same amount for the environment? Of course yes, that would be great.Bennn
- and lastly, if anyone thinks I'm just talking about Notre Dam and not making a wider point in general, then, well, you're an idiot, please don't engage me.set
- Its ok to want to preserve the historical heritage and save the World at the same time. Its not one or the other.Bennn
- There's much more big issues than our cultural heritage.Bennn
- I get your point set. You think the World should invest more for the planet and act as quickly as some did for Notre-Dame. You're totally right.Bennn
- I think some are just trying to tell you, Ok but lets not sweep the rest under the carpetBennn
- People like the Pyramids, too. I don't think they were very nice people, either. Matter of fact, humans were are never really that nice.formed
- Economically, one could argue that cathedral has brought much more than 300m $ in pilgrimage & tourism to the surrounding area.T-Dawg
- I agree with Set's original sentiment, but the argument is fallacious (appeal to worse problems)T-Dawg
- Ah look the guy with ten accounts has logged in and downvoted it 10 times in less than a few minutes again hahaha.set
- I'm not saying it's not a beautiful building, and I'm not saying it's not rather sad it's burned down. I'm just saying, ultimately who gives a fuck...set
- but the real issue that upsets me is how people get up in arms about meaningless shit like this when our planet is literally being killed by us and no one caresset
- and this whole 'why can't we have both' shit ain't gonna fly when we no longer have a sustainable planet to live on.set
- when the sun is so hot it burns your hair off and all the trees are gone, you'll glad of the cold, dark stone sanctuary of a cathedralFax_Benson
- it's easy to agree with set here. No one wants to look at the church for what it is. everyone uses a personal opinion to supersede logic and rationale.imbecile
- Even when it should be easy to agree with me, it's not for most people here haha. I'm very much aware of my communication style though. Brings out the egos, hahset
- Gets your fuckin' goat dunnit
hahaset - It's a bit unreasonable to expect people to not get upset simply because something else worse is happening, no? It's not like people don't care about the earth.monospaced
- it's not like all the groups dedicated to saving the planet have stopped suddenly because of Notre Damemonospaced
- In 100 years the planet will be inhospitable? What sort of doomsday cult have you subscribed to now, Setothry?shaft
- I was just giving an arbitrary number, but the way we are polluting, dumping and destroying is not sustainable. 100 years is not even that extreme.set