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  • BusterBoy-9

    Racist...yea or nay?

    I'm nay.

    • Let's just say that the racist comments about the caricature of Serena are over the top....go read them. I'm sure that Rupert Murdoch really gives two fucks.utopian
    • could have made his point without making the lips so big I'd say._niko
    • but overall it's fine_niko
    • The comments have nothing to do with the image...they are just idiotic. I'm talking about this in isolation.BusterBoy
    • Meanwhile the light skin blonde with big tits player in the background actual looks like this. https://i.imgur.com/…

      https://i.imgur.com/…
      utopian
    • Everything's racist, sexist and whateverist nowadays.NBQ00
    • The depiction of her facial features and her body posture seem racist to me. General theme does not.sarahfailin
    • ya a bit racist.pango
    • Nay. But only just. A bunch of yea just because it's a Murdoch rag. His justification for the opponent was 'that's how I remember her'. FLOL.MrT
    • I see a temper tantrum portrayed in an unflattering caricature. If you see something 'racist' here then we're fucked... it's sad how 'trained' the PC world is.PonyBoy
    • nailed ithotroddy
    • Actually everything these days is people complaining about how everything is racist.yuekit
    • It's not the worst thing I've seen, but you have to wonder about the thought process of someone who draws this and clicks send, without the thought everyuekit
    • crossing their mind that it might be offensive to black people. More likely the thought did cross his mind and he didn't care.yuekit
    • the underlying message is not about race. so it's not racist. And sometimes an illustration is just an illustrationhotroddy
    • I don't see it as racist. One of the key principles of a caricature is to exaggerate a feature of the subject.Continuity
    • And, I'm very sorry to say, she's got a massive mouth to start with. So, if anything, it's just the artist having picked the obvious, low-hanging fruit.Continuity
    • Caricature always treads a fine line. And it can be both at the same time - not intentionally racist but genuinely offence-causing to some. Nowt wrong with thatFax_Benson
    • Highlighting a feature specific to a certain person is slightly different to highlighting a feature specific to an entire race / ethnicity etc. JustFax_Benson
    • have a think before you publish it if you don't want to cause a fuss. unless of course you do.Fax_Benson
    • Black guy here... It's fucking racist. Black people have been portrayed like this for years and we get the underlying tone implied - And we dont like it.necromation
    • ...Also she lost to another black woman, so why do we have a blonde haired woman on the other side? it's the thing you dont see... We do.necromation
    • She has big lips, and caricature like this are over exaggerated representations.set
    • Anyone who thinks this is racist is an insecure prick that needs to feel offended in order to give themselves some kind of sense of worth and superiority. GFY..set
    • I understand the uproar. Caricatures legacy as a tool to oppress is huge. I don’t think the intent was racist though.thumb_screws
    • This was a better way to satire the incident https://m.betootaadv…thumb_screws
    • It's not either or. Insisting that it is when it isn't is where all the outrage comes from.Fax_Benson
    • Set, you funny. I know some insecure pricks that would love you tell them that. White guys tellin us black folks what we should and shouldn't find offensive lolnecromation
    • Free speech, motherfucker. I'm not telling black folks, I'm telling everyone. This is only racist if you decide it's racist.set
    • That's your freedom to be offended and upset for no real reason though, I guess. Caricatures have ALWAYS accentuated features. How the fuck is that racist...?set
    • Also, are you saying having big lips is a bad thing? I don't get it.set
    • It's just not lips, set. It's also the kinky hair but you just can't see it from your position of privilege.soundofreason
    • what's wrong with kinky hair!?set
    • Also, necromation, were you suggesting that your friends would become violent with me because I hold a different view point?set
    • But thats, exactly it... You don't know.
      There is many a paper, an article, a fucking video covering this topic. JIM CROW... do some reading.
      necromation
    • That's not something I'd be proud of admitting.set
    • Exactly!
      You disappoint me, set.
      You disappoint me.
      soundofreason
    • The fact is also in an Aussie paper... My girlfriend is Greek aussie and they refer to her as a WOG (greeks, italians)... Wtf. it all fucking stinks of racismnecromation
    • I wasn't sure about the lips, thinking them a bit Tintin in Congo, so I and Googled and learnt a bit about the likes of Ollie Harrington and Morrie Turner.Nairn
    • Wog or wop?Nairn
    • The lips in Tintin and blackface/ Jim Crow are ovals with no definition. The lips in this caricature have lip shape.
      Do yous work in the visual medium?
      soundofreason
    • Was there a point there, sor?Nairn
    • Yes. Get hooked on phonics.soundofreason
    • You're right that I cannot fully understand the oppression that many have been throughset
    • but the fact is, being oppressed is not an excuse for being offended by anything and everything. All you're doing is creating more division and separation by...set
    • ... by suggesting that this is any way racist, and this woman, because she is black, should be treated differently. No caricatures are ever flattering. Ever.set
    • wog - Australia has a huge problem with racism. I've been several times - Seen indian's refered to as P word, Lebanese called "lebbos"necromation
    • She has big lips and curly black hair. So those features are accentuated. How the utter shiny fuck is that racist?set
    • at first I didn't found it racist but looking into details for me it's definitely racist.oey
    • ... My girlfriend herself says racisms is pretty bad as whole and with that as the undertone of the nation its pretty easy for this stuff to get through...necromation
    • cause this doesn't even look like her or what a caricature of her would actually look like. it's just a stereotyped general portrait of black people.oey
    • The only way it can be is if you're looking to be offended, and choosing for it to be racist, and somehow even suggesting that those features are a bad thing...set
    • @oey
      Please tell us more about those details.
      soundofreason
    • I would bet money... No artist here or in the US would have released that cartoon!necromation
    • we know it's about her cause of the entire context and clothing. except that nothing here tells me it's Serena.oey
    • Last time I checked big lips and curly black hair are awesome. Caricatures are never fucking flattering. EVVVVEEEERRRRRset
    • I can understand people who don't find it racist to some point.oey
    • but if this character was dressed differently and in another environment nobody would guess who it is. so...oey
    • besides, it's also easy for someone on the privileged side of history/society not to see it as racist as we don't have any clue what is being victim of racism.oey
    • The P word is a completely different thing in AU. It doesn't have the british racist weight behind it until recently.thumb_screws
    • @set
      The only way to solve this is to photoshop your face onto it.
      soundofreason
    • it's not about big lips being beautiful or not. you are totally missing the point set.oey
    • Australians are pretty naive when it comes to racism. A lot of the time they just dont understand the weight of the terms or where they originated from.thumb_screws
    • But black people do generally have big lips. Is that racist to point out a fact? One that isn't even derogatory?set
    • Caricatures accentuate features. That's the point you seem to be missing. You're choosing for it to be racist when it doesn't need to be anything of the sort.set
    • @oey
      I would like to see the details you mentioned exposed and this image dissected in a separate post.
      Who's up for it?
      soundofreason
    • First time I've been dragged into a qbn 'debate' in a while. It's fruitless. Carry on being offended if you like, you're only hurting yourself, ultimately.set
    • What you're saying is that a caricature artist can only take the piss out of someone's features if they're not a minority. That's ludicrous.set
    • hey set, i don't feel offended, i just disagree with you still i totally understand what you mean about caricatures. and how am I hurting myself?oey
    • If anything, the ones saying this is racist are the ones being racist, as you're suggesting she should be treated differently because of her race. Av summathatset
    • and why has he whitewashed Naomi? to emphasize the stereotype of black people being too emotional? just asking...oey
    • the "coon" cartoon ya know?oey
    • Caricatures accentuate features, but surely at some point it crosses the line into racism right?yuekit
    • So many caricatures of white mean make their noses really big - as a white man, I don't give a fuck, I know we have big noses.shapesalad
    • so I expect a black person to equally see that yeah, on average they have big lips and in a caricature that might be accented. Try not to give a fuck and deal.shapesalad
    • *white menshapesalad
    • The hypocrisy of this whole thing is humorous to me. Here's an example, our darling KJ Rowling... The cartoon is entirely left open to interpretation...set
    • i.e. old Tintin comics like Nairn mentioned above. So it comes down to the depiction, and this is definitely borderline.yuekit
    • ... so the only one reducing Serena to racist and sexist tropes is JK herself. https://twitter.com/…set
    • it's not racist to caricature a black woman AND it's legitimate to question why this pic was drawn as it is. Nobody is going to 'win' this argumentFax_Benson
    • I do understand the racism thing, if you absoloutely must fish for it, but where is she finding sexism in this? That's quite impressive.set
    • I was about to ask about sexism too, now that it has been established that the cartoon is racist.soundofreason
    • I agree, Fax.set
    • @set
      As a recent convert into seeing the cartoon as racist could you make a post explaining it in detail for those still on the fence?
      soundofreason
    • Would you guys agree that this is racist?
      https://i.imgur.com/…
      yuekit
    • I too am now convinced it's utterly racist.
      And sexist.
      set
    • Come to think of it, it's also incredibly offensive to babies.set
    • But but...it just accents features that Jews have anyway...cmon :)yuekit
    • @yuekit
      Not racist
      https://i.imgur.com/…
      Racist
      https://i.kym-cdn.co…
      soundofreason
    • https://miro.medium.…soundofreason
    • sexist cause it depicts women as not mature, look what laying in the floor next to her.oey
    • another detail for the racism is that the caricature of Naomi is as a white person and so it accentuates the contrast of behavior according to races.oey
    • Sexist also because the umpire is sitting in a tall chair (phallic & position of power) talking down to Naomi.soundofreason
    • I'm with set. What we are arguing about is what we have been educated to project onto the image. Caricatures are import in our world and we need more IMAOmugwart
    • Caricatures should NEVER be faltering, Having this illustrations in away forcing a fear of immortality in the elites. its a visual remembrance of their actionsmugwart
    • This girl is a spoilt brat. She was forced into this at a young age and is the only thing about her life, she cant take loosing and this image is a messagemugwart
    • to all of us not to become like that. Its rude. its crude but that how it is. She should be ashamed of herself. This pokes fun at that and hopeful reflects thatmugwart
    • I love Caricatures, it is bullying but then again I grew up with Spiting image and Gerald Scarfe. Look at his works and say they don't depict legacy of peoplemugwart
    • https://s14-eu5.star…mugwart
    • https://s14-eu5.star…mugwart
    • I saw a documentary of Mr Scarfe and he did call it bullying as you had to boil down all their characteristics and poke fun of them.mugwart
    • Illustrations are vital to society, event these. The boil an scene/event down to one image that everyone has to decipher in a spit second.mugwart
    • So the problem is that we are now educated to be so triggered & that is used to control large groups of people. We have projected this onto this image.mugwart
    • In regards to making osaka look lighter, he did the same for serena, she’s much darker in real life._niko
    • https://i2-prod.scot…ShenanigansTV
    • Again... Saddest fact is we have have a bunch of white guys deciding what classes as racist.. FYI pretty much all my black mates think it crosses a line...necromation
    • https://encrypted-tb…ShenanigansTV
    • http://www.newscrash…mugwart
    • ^ thisoey
    • https://pbs.twimg.co…ShenanigansTV
    • I asked my mum at lunchtime... her exact words "Are people still doing this, i thought this rass rubbish dead in the pass" my mum is 76necromation
    • Most of you just 'see' a caricature... Me (and many like me) see the same old tired shit we have had to fight at some level pretty much from the day dotnecromation
    • it's fucking racist. Jesus fucking christ. it amazes me that there's even a question of it.exador1
    • Meh, Serena fucked up and she got beat by someone 16 years younger than her. She's also NOT one of the greatest athletes in the world.robotron3k
    • Is this racist? http://www.blackcomm…shapesalad
    • https://www.bbc.co.u…

      COME ON...
      necromation
    • the John McEnroe cartoon ^ is 'foreheadist' and upsetting me and others that are hair follicle deficient and suffer a large forehead.shapesalad
    • Its a statement on humanity. White folk should and do get as much shit as everyone else. Caricatures are designed to "penetrate" deep and over simplifier.mugwart
    • If a black woman or man drew the exact same Serena cartoon would it still be racist?shapesalad
    • if it was like this it is racist:
      https://thegrio.com/…
      mugwart
    • Caricatures boil everything down to over simplifications and built from that. Its not flattering but thats how the player is. Austrians hate that sort of playermugwart
    • I agree with set, this isn't racist. IF it is, then ALL caricatures are racist.monospaced
    • It's pretty fuckin' racistjmckinno
    • sexist cause it depicts women as not mature, look what laying in the floor next to her.
      oey
      set
    • ^ Ok that's the end of my engagement with oey. He's actually not even joking either, is he.set
    • LOLset
    • LOLset
    • omfg, it's saying she's a crybaby, that's not sexist!monospaced
    • From the BBC:
      Racism in Australian cartoons
      One sociology expert told the BBC that Knight had used "a genre that has a long history of racist impact".
      necromation
    • He said there had been "a tradition" in many Australian cartoons to exaggerate physical characteristics of minority groups, including indigenous Australians, tonecromation
    • "trigger a reaction" - such as humour.necromation
    • That is FUCKING racist!necromation
    • Caricatures are in a way the modern "fools" to the crown. They were the only one that was allowed to tease the royalty. Rulers were terrified of their legacymugwart
    • tanted by a song/drawing/gossip. Its imperative we have this dialogue. We shouldn't have PC culture inflicted upon this. We need more of these going!mugwart
    • so you can't caricaturize black people?hotroddy
    • I think the hair was exagerated for non-racist reasons. it a mushroom cloud effect which I think is intentional. Indicates she's exploding, steaming... etc.hotroddy
    • You lot are fucking tripping!
      Read this and tell me that it doesn't fit

      https://en.wikipedia…
      necromation
    • but I'm no 'sociology expert'. Which is right up their with 'astrologist'.hotroddy
    • The English politicians are treated just as badly in works.
      I'm from that class of English & i have a nose like that.
      mugwart
    • https://www.geraldsc…mugwart
    • Your also right @necro with the past stereotyping. The ruling class of the West wanted to take the lands of the world so educated the solider's to hate andmugwart
    • What does the non racist version of this look?ShenanigansTV
    • put a level of inferiority in the depictions. I dont think that is what is happening in this image though.mugwart
    • is it only the face?ShenanigansTV
    • but we all have been duped by the ruling class on that front.mugwart
    • Try adjusting the image in photoshop for yourself. See if your changes still resemble Serena?ShenanigansTV
    • in a way comedy is the best way of carrying messages. Blackadder (signs your old)
      https://youtu.be/qnF…
      mugwart
    • (I have welsh in me and I'm used to the racial teasing)mugwart
    • Welsh in you, have you tried asking him to get off you?ShenanigansTV
    • Serenas on steroids again, that's why she lost it...robotron3k
    • I do but he's wearing velcro gloves ;-)mugwart
    • No hotroddy, apparently you cannot caricaturise black people...set
    • Look in photoshop, Osaka is almost the exact same skin shade as Williams. Some of you are desperate for it to be racist so you can feel offended and superiorset
    • jesus, robo ... people here are having a real discussion and you have to come in with your jackass comments and bullshit assumptions which make you look foolishmonospaced
    • steroids? you only say that because of her physique, despite there being absolutely no evidence of that.monospaced
    • She definitely is one of the best female athletes alive, too.monospaced
    • White people telling black people how to feel about this is racist af. I hear you, necro.cotton
    • Saying white people's opinions are not valid is pretty racist. No one is telling black people how to feel, lol, feel however the fuck you like.set
    • I'm telling you how I feel.set
    • https://www.youtube.…mugwart
    • probably shouldn't have posted that!mugwart
    • You're saying it's not OK to caricaturise a black person if you pronounce their features, because it's racist. Listen to how ridiculous that is.set
    • Just as black comedians constantly rip on white people, if a white comedian rips on black people it's racist.set
    • Regardless of the past, that shit is ridiculous and needs to stop if we're ever going to live in real equality. You're holding that shit back with your views.set
    • Unfortunately it's not all in the past, there are still huge numbers of racist white people. Probably more now than there were 10 years ago.yuekit
    • set, your ridiculous tirade here makes it clear you don't understand what racism is. Educate yourself, please.cotton
    • Some of you snowflakes do know that caricatures have exaggerated features, right? smh...Maaku
    • That's basically all I should have posted Maaku.set
    • yeah @maaku
      @cotton you can't really say that.
      mugwart
    • When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Implicit bias is strong with this one.ShenanigansTV
    • @mugwart Clearly people can say whatever shite comes in to their heads regardless of logic or insight or intelligence. Scary.set
    • Serena lost to a younger, better player, now that she's washed up and promoting PC values, she'll be getting her own Nike campaign soon...robotron3k
    • Logic or intelligence? Start with a fundamental definition of the term before you apply it to your own self-serving, privileged views of reality.cotton
    • there's nothing wrong with PC values, so when you bring that up robo, it's almost like you're against them (not surprising).monospaced
    • the ignorance is strong in this threadutopian
    • oh, and cotton ... it's not a privileged view to say that a caricature isn't racist just because it's a black person as the subject ... that's just logicmonospaced
    • ^ agree with mono for a change ;-)
      To deny her of a caricature cause she is of a minority is also racist in my books
      mugwart
    • https://www.qbn.com/…chukkaphob
    • 174!pinkfloyd
    • get a life!pinkfloyd
    • I think the racist part is where he invented the white blonde opponent, setting up a fake conflict between white and black. The lips are just bad art.zarkonite
    • Did a single person in this 170 note comments thread actually say you can't caricature black people?yuekit
    • Just don't do it in a way that large numbers of people (including blacks themselves) find offensive. After all maybe they have a point.yuekit
    • @ yuekit as far as i know nobody wrote that. some people have the Trump Syndrome...inventing facts, distorting words...LOL!oey
    • and yes you can caricature black people, minorities, whatever. the thing is how to do it and not to fall in racial stereotyping.oey
    • in before 200?imbecile
    • Absolutely NOTHING racist about this cartoon. Period. Move on.chukkaphob
    • Anyone who has issues with it is the racist insulting the black community - insinuating their appearance deserves special treatment.hotroddy
    • ^ this.chukkaphob
    • TLDR. Here's another note!sarahfailin
    • Has anyone asked Serena how she feels about this cartoon??Ramanisky2
    • Didn't hear the "racism" calls for this one despite the fact he's ethnic. https://i.imgur.com/…BusterBoy
    • White men have been depicted in cartoons here in Oz with tiny cocks. A caricature exaggerates every physical feature...anyone who takes offence has issues.BusterBoy
    • dude. you asked me if i think it's racist. then you guys get riled up by my opinion. why did you even bother asking.pango
    • ^oey
    • Let’s all ask Serena what she thinks.Ramanisky2
    • First thing I thought of is that it looked like a mad native from a bugs bunny cartoon, even looks like she has a bone or a spike through her nose, so yeah_niko
    • ...Artist could be a total dickhead, or just a shitty caricaturist._niko
    • I'm not riled up by anyone's opinion. Feel free to think whatever the fuck you want! Doesn't preclude me from having an opinion though.BusterBoy
    • I think it's fine.
      Shrug.
      docpoz
    • Maybe should have made the blonde girl blacker.docpoz
    • Is it PC? No.
      It's baby shaming.
      docpoz
    • Waiting for the revised version of this drawing that can't be interpreted negatively, yet still communicates the same idea.ShenanigansTV
    • Perhaps if there were no lips, cause lips are a trigger.ShenanigansTV
    • Serena has big lips thodocpoz

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