What isn't art?
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- see_thru0
Found object that isn't art, but, switch it's context....or put it in a big white room and tadahhhh....
- Nailed itORAZAL
- Add a suit-wearing guard and you can charge admission.freedom
- "a genius idea"freedom
- I'm liking the ladder metaphor...you can climb up into your own ass...see_thru
- Boy. Some of you guys don't understand art history at all. tell me...did you snigger when had to draw nude models in school?marychain
- understanding art history has nothing to do with the fact that some items are considered art in different contexts, holy shit you are condescendingmonospaced
- "some items are considered art in different contexts".....NO SHIT!!!marychain
- The artist repurposed them in a new arrangement or context to INTENTIONALLY give them meaning TRANSCENDENT of their original functionmarychain
- If you understood the (mostly) linear path of art history until the Modern...you would understand thismarychain
- The thought, the intent, the transformative quality is the art.marychain
- it's like talking to (a very dumb) wallmarychain
- Peasants I tell you.ORAZAL
- I DO understand this, that's the exact point I was making originally.monospaced
- Just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not art.nb
- I'm actually bit suprised at the infantile level of responses to this subject. I mean Fucking LOL slogan got 17-20 upvotes.yurimon
- you don't know the history of Fucking LOL? if you did, you'd understand why it got voted upmonospaced
- Thanks mono...as a masters grad with a fine art background I appreciate the comment. Marychain, you'll be glad to know there was no sniggering.see_thru
- "put it in a big white room and tadaa?"
Sounds like an mfa art history grad to me...christmarychain - Art can suck and it's still art.
how good an art is, is very subjective.pango - I can tell you stories about nude models in school... (4 years obligatory nude drawing class) @marychainSimonFFM
- at first you rip on us because you think we didn't go to art school, then you rip on someone because they may have an art history mba?monospaced
- It's called self reflecting humour Marchain....the ability to not take yourself too seriously. Others might call it being relaxed.see_thru
- he meant snicker.bklyndroobeki
- Uuuugh I don't want to remember nude drawing in school. We only had money to hire fucking grand ma and grand pa...pango
- he meant 'snigga'sarahfailin
- Krassy4
A pair of glasses were left on the floor at a museum and everyone mistook it for art
- Yurimon's wanking specs.fadein11
- or, was it art? who leaves glasses in such parallel alignment with the wall? almost signifying the parallel struggles of man and object...hobgoblin
- and why were they placed on the lighter board? to signify human natures racist tendencies? why are the frames black?hobgoblin
- this is so fucking deep i'm going to cryhobgoblin
- sheeepMilan
- lol. so stupid. This is where art has gone.dbloc
- lol hobmoldero
- Has anyone seen my glasses?robthelad
- nb4
Intent is the magic key that converts non-art into art. You intend to produce something as art, rather than producing it for it's typical use or for a non-typical but still functional use. Of course, you don't need to produce the object or piece yourself.
Examples:
You build a fence around your yard - not art.
You paint your fence - not art.
You paint a picture of a fence - art.
You paint an image of another fence on your fence - art.
You take a photo of your fence so you'll always remember what a swell job you did and what a fun day that was. - not art.
You take the same photo of your fence but instead claim the image represents all the freedom we have lost by buying into this suburban idea of a home and a yard while we borrow a little more money or sell our soul to an evil employer to build a nice colourful fence around us to imprison ourselves in our silly ideals. - art
Years later your fence falls apart and someone takes a piece of it and puts it on display and claims that it represents something else. - art
You build a fence inside an art gallery and claim it represents something else. - art
You build a fence inside an art gallery to keep people from going into the bathroom that is currently under construction - not art.
You build a fence inside an art gallery to keep people from going into the bathroom that is currently under construction but actually it was never under construction, you're just making a point about behaviour in humans and assumptions of reality - art.
It's all about intent. The intent may happen before the piece is produced, or you may take an object and convert it into art simply by calling it art.
- Haha "making a point about behaviour in humans and assumptions of reality" That would be interesting 'art'Ianbolton
- The idea that intent matters goes against a lot of modern artistic interpretationreanimate
- I thought the idea of Pollocks work was to find the unintentional?Ianbolton
- Good points & great examples. I would add that intent is not enough, what you produce would also have to be accepted as art by the art institutions.ORAZAL
- I am not 100% behing the insitutional theory of art but we are all going to talk about it we need a common base that can be easily defined.ORAZAL
- lanbolton you are confusing intention in the process and intention of the outcome.ORAZAL
- true. He intended to make the outcome look unintentional,Ianbolton
- @Orazal: If your have intent but are not accept by institutions, you have still made art. It's just shitty art, probably.nb
- ... or you're deeply misunderstood and ahead of your time. But, more likely you're just making shit art.nb
- wouldn't it classify art as construct?yurimon
- There is such thing as bad art, art isn't intrinsically good. I think I'll make a post about this.ORAZAL
- Shitty art can't be art if it doesn't participate in the art discussion. If it's ahead of its time it will become art when it's brought into the discussion.ORAZAL
- Shitty art, or rather mediocre art, is art. It's art by definition. You can't say "mediocre art isn't art." It would be like saying "cold soup isn't soup."nb
- What I think you're talking about is relevant art vs irrelevant art. The bulk of art is irrelevant and forgotten.nb
- But sometimes irrelevant art can become relevant over time. And it can move in the other direction, too.nb
- Yes, shitty art is still art.ORAZAL
- My point was about the idea of art existing as an isolated object vs being part of the art world and participating in the discussion which is how I define art.ORAZAL
- iCanHazQBN0
What about a poop? Is it art? I made it. It has a unique shape and texture every time.
I think poop is art.
- http://img.pandawhal…iCanHazQBN
- You're full of shit.freedom
- Chris Ofilimarychain
- I would say poop it self isn't art. But you can definitely use it to make a statement.pango
- Then it becomes artpango
- Chris Ofilimarychain
- Andres Serranomarychain
- Carina Úbedamarychain
- https://www.youtube.…pablo28
- if you ate it that would be art.docpoz
- http://www.bitsandpi…scarabin
- scared to click ^moldero
- Piero Manzoni from the 60'svaxorcist
- inteliboy0
I'd say anything that is purely functional and without an attached emotion isn't art. Like a LAN cable is cleary not art.
But you could take said thing and give it a thoughtful design, expressing a particular statement, and you could argue that it is now art. The mac g4 cube for example was exhibited at MoMA.
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
-___-pango - I guess some one thought it was.inteliboy
- a lan cable is an elegant solution to a problem, which could be considered artscarabin
- exactly, scarabin ... in fact, the art of product design and industrial design is strong with something like the form of a lan connectionmonospaced
- Yes, yes...the Bauhaus already figured this out....did you guys not go to school?marychain
- Yes we know all about it. We are pointing out we see the art in it despite its purely functional design.monospaced
- how purist you want to get with the concept.?yurimon
- Depends on how high I am. I'd me more interested in hearing the opinions of the guy who designed it.monospaced
- do you even smoke bro?yurimon
- Please explain how a Cat-5 cable is an elegant solution. It's just a regular-ass solution, imo.nb
- The little connector that goes into the port was hand-designed to work well. It's a regular solution, but it took an artist to make it work, IMO.monospaced
- do we differentiate design and art at all?ephix
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
- chukkaphob6
- Pffft probably subversive art. Please read my essay on page 2. haha http://www.qbn.com/r…nb
- how can stairs break? jump themhobgoblin
- monospaced4
- Hahahahahahapango
- He will probably send me an email with some empty legal threats soon because of this. This absolutely infuriates Chris. No joke.monospaced
- Seems like pulling the drawers out would be difficultHayoth
- They aren't drawers. They're shoe boxes inspired by matchbox.monospaced
- ok_not_ok1
- I think this awfully simplistic, don't you?marychain
- Yes I do. I pretty hate this kind of shit and how it fills the walls of "art" museums sometimes.monospaced
- Horriblei_was
- the statement is right on though.sea_sea
- I recognize that dropshadow anywhere. That was photoshopped on that wall.hotroddy
- I think it's spot on.set
- But major timelineset
- scarabin0
- shit outta luck?chukkaphob
- ruffagegilgamush
- checkmatefadein11
- The Bowel Movement™?_niko
- be careful as not to shit yourself right into a cornerPonyBoy
- My dog was on a rampage...Turboslacker
- monospaced1
I figure anything (unfortunately?) could be classified as art with the right pitch (bullshitting).
- Wrong answermarychain
- I'm with mono on this one.pango
- Of course you are. You're both very confused.marychain
- ha that's the worst argument.pango
- Wrong. It's about intent. if you're bullshiting....you'r... masking intent.marychain
- I disagree. Many things are considered art even when they were not intended to be.monospaced
- Do tellmarychain
- boxing?pango
- Some people take aerial photos of farmland and call it art, even though the farmers didn't intend to make it beautiful.monospaced
- It really boils down to how you look at something. Some people collect items and their simple placement in the same space is called art.monospaced
- Anyway. No need to get nasty or tell me I'm wrong. Just trying to have a real discussion.monospaced
- whoooboy...I don't know where to begin.marychain
- It does not simply " boil down to how you look at something" where did you get that? Your aerial photo example is rife with problems also.marychain
- It's my view. I didn't get it from somewhere. I'm also not alone.monospaced
- why argue with monodoesnotexist
- I don't even see the argument here. At what point does art become objective?Ianbolton
- utopian0
- That amateur Robert Gober and his bullshit! You people are awesome!ORAZAL
- Back up utopian. You are looking silly.
also helps to use the correct spelling of "there" when calling others dumb.marychain - Unfortunately, I did not see any 80yr. old fat fucks at Museum, I was disappointed son.utopian
- And the so called art that I paid 22 bucks to see was shit.utopian
- LOLmarychain
- To be fair, that light installation is probably broken and isn't finished yet.freedom
- Rolls eyes.freedom
- http://www.youtube.c…moldero
- light installation broken or not ready? How would one ever tell????iCanHazQBN
- garbage2
- The painting isn't, but the photo is.garbage
- awwe!StoicLevels
- Look how proud.CyBrainX
- ORAZAL1
- #notartORAZAL
- This definitely is. Surely?Ianbolton
- Shirley?Knuckleberry
- Jackie Chan beat Shirley's ass and now he's fucking it.moldero
- freedom1
- THANK YOU!! I've been trying to find this movie! Lolpango
- Yeah, good chuckles.nb
- Taking art punches from Hollywood - that understands art to the extend of knowing who Davinci or Michelangelo were...pr2
- ...is like shitting in a cup and calling it a pudding (no, don't go there).pr2
- I bet someone did an art piece like that.pango
- sums up most of Patryk Rebiszs work, sexist and racist garbageGuyFawkes