What isn't art?
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- pango
Cuz I'm so tired of the question "but is it art?"
You guys have an example of what isn't art?
- monospaced1
I figure anything (unfortunately?) could be classified as art with the right pitch (bullshitting).
- Wrong answermarychain
- I'm with mono on this one.pango
- Of course you are. You're both very confused.marychain
- ha that's the worst argument.pango
- Wrong. It's about intent. if you're bullshiting....you'r... masking intent.marychain
- I disagree. Many things are considered art even when they were not intended to be.monospaced
- Do tellmarychain
- boxing?pango
- Some people take aerial photos of farmland and call it art, even though the farmers didn't intend to make it beautiful.monospaced
- It really boils down to how you look at something. Some people collect items and their simple placement in the same space is called art.monospaced
- Anyway. No need to get nasty or tell me I'm wrong. Just trying to have a real discussion.monospaced
- whoooboy...I don't know where to begin.marychain
- It does not simply " boil down to how you look at something" where did you get that? Your aerial photo example is rife with problems also.marychain
- It's my view. I didn't get it from somewhere. I'm also not alone.monospaced
- why argue with monodoesnotexist
- I don't even see the argument here. At what point does art become objective?Ianbolton
- marychain0
- why isn't it? it has some sort of artistic expression doesn't it?pango
- hmmm...debatable. But it was created to shill Disney crap....not Artmarychain
- could it be a statement making art? "the dumb population will buy anything from disney"pango
- Endurance Art. How long can i sell my soul before i crack?.pango
- "How much money does it take to make it ok for selling my soul?"pango
- But it's notmarychain
- that is certainly art, and you are free to not like it, but with the right pitch, there's no doubt it is artist createdmonospaced
- Mono....you are sooooo wrong. There are many painters and illustrators...but that does NOT make them artists. If you think Britto's Disney souvenirs are art themarychain
- Then I think we're done here.marychain
- Art has nothing to do with whether I like it or not, please don't give me your adolescent argument.marychain
- yes you just made the same point. "nothing to do with whether I like it or not"pango
- My point is that perhaps the person who painted those does consider them art. Just because it doesn't fall in your category doesn't make it not true.monospaced
- I'm not saying it's good or even art in my book, just that it can be argued.monospaced
- But can you at least not be an insulting dick when trying to discuss this? It's incredibly hypocritical and stubborn of you to just tell people they're wrong.monospaced
- It's also incredibly naive to assume i/we don't have a depth of knowledge and experience on the subject, just like you.monospaced
- Old people tend to think they know more. etc. yurimon is a thousand years old.pango
- Mono...it's not naive of me at all. You've made it painfully clear you have no knowledge about this...you are just spouting very uninformed opinion.marychain
- Wow.monospaced
- marychain-4
And let's not bring Warhol into the discussion. If you don't "get" Warhol...you weren't paying attention.
- never like the guy.pango
- Boy, are you trolling?marychain
- nop :/pango
- I think you made my point with this statement.monospaced
- Lol...okay mono. What was your elusive point?marychain
- I don't think you have a clue about Warholmarychain
- Warhol was a troll.pango
- The point is that some people don't consider what Warhol did art. But you say you have to get him to see it as art. That's the point I'm making.monospaced
- That its all in the way you view something. How you describe and interpret it.monospaced
- No. It's not. It's the creators intent. It has NOTHING to do with wget her YOU like it or get it. You don't get to decide.marychain
- Whether it's art or not from your "point of view". You can choose to like it or notmarychain
- then tell me what's not art.pango
- I agree, marychain, I think you're making the same point. If the person who paints those stupid figurines thinks they're art, you can't decide they're not :)monospaced
- No...because his INTENT was NOT to create art...but to CASH in. Have you ever heard Britto speak? pleasemarychain
- ok_not_ok1
- I think this awfully simplistic, don't you?marychain
- Yes I do. I pretty hate this kind of shit and how it fills the walls of "art" museums sometimes.monospaced
- Horriblei_was
- the statement is right on though.sea_sea
- I recognize that dropshadow anywhere. That was photoshopped on that wall.hotroddy
- I think it's spot on.set
- But major timelineset
- inteliboy0
I'd say anything that is purely functional and without an attached emotion isn't art. Like a LAN cable is cleary not art.
But you could take said thing and give it a thoughtful design, expressing a particular statement, and you could argue that it is now art. The mac g4 cube for example was exhibited at MoMA.
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
-___-pango - I guess some one thought it was.inteliboy
- a lan cable is an elegant solution to a problem, which could be considered artscarabin
- exactly, scarabin ... in fact, the art of product design and industrial design is strong with something like the form of a lan connectionmonospaced
- Yes, yes...the Bauhaus already figured this out....did you guys not go to school?marychain
- Yes we know all about it. We are pointing out we see the art in it despite its purely functional design.monospaced
- how purist you want to get with the concept.?yurimon
- Depends on how high I am. I'd me more interested in hearing the opinions of the guy who designed it.monospaced
- do you even smoke bro?yurimon
- Please explain how a Cat-5 cable is an elegant solution. It's just a regular-ass solution, imo.nb
- The little connector that goes into the port was hand-designed to work well. It's a regular solution, but it took an artist to make it work, IMO.monospaced
- do we differentiate design and art at all?ephix
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
- pango0
Let's focus on what is not art.
cuz we know everything is art already.- Ok...trolling. gotcha. checking out nowmarychain
- and what cha gonna do about it?
http://i.imgur.com/q…pango
- Peter-2
"The art of boxing"
If pummeling someone (hey dude they block and duck too that makes it beautiful) is labeled art, what can't be art indeed?
How about:"The art of the tactical carbine"?
- yurimon-5
Its a subject that is skewed with jaded perceptions and like any subject that is manipulated in society with the times. It is a meaningless word because of this abuse. I equate this word with religion in the sense thats its been corrupted from its pure original form. I can tell you what art is but you may not excepted because of your own corruption perhaps. your own contempt and brain washed jadedness.
- oh, fuck off.scarabin
- Yurimon is a performing artist....pango
- yuri you are so much better than us! thankyou so much for your wisdom and insight. all praise yuri and his knowledge!inteliboy
- haha, why so frail ego.?yurimon
- you can fuck off scarybin. you do it best.yurimon
- Excepted = accept it. Fucking LOLmonospaced
- i fuck off best? that doesn't even make sense, you goddamned nitwit.scarabin
- you fuck anything off lolyurimon
- thank you mr grammar checkyurimon
- it's grammar nazi! do it right damn it!pango
- That's not a grammatical error.monospaced
- dont kill me grammar nazi, im sorry.yurimon
- i'm so embarrassed for you, yuri. you really ought to just dig a hole, lay down in it, and hope people forget you made this idiotic series of posts.scarabin
- This is horseshit and you should feel bad.marychain
- do know what art is is? or its all opinion to you?yurimon
- I dont feel bad at all, i'm waiting for productive discussions from jaded peeplesyurimon
- yurimon is art that will not get soldmoldero
- pango0
so..... what isn't art?
- Its a demonstration of a skill that expresses beauty.yurimon
- not talking the perverted beauty you see in the corruption of your soul.yurimon
- http://40.media.tumb…yurimon
- ^ not artyurimon
- I don't think art is about beauty.pango
- its modern perversion. you are talking about art in the age of propaganda.yurimon
- Lol rightpango
- So... Which century are you from?pango
- Do you have a relevant perspective of the current time? Or is earth still flat to you?pango
- yurimon is so pretentious he makes me want to vomit.inteliboy
- i should film it. "Yuri. Vomit performance art, mixed media. 2015."inteliboy
- I'd watch it.pango
- Art isn't about skill...you MORONSmarychain
- Are you incapable of discussing without insulting and dismissing? It's extremely narrow minded of you to approach this as if you're the final word.monospaced
- nobody is dismissing. its obviously art is control of the modern psyche, in the way is handled in modern times. I see modern art more of a dissectionyurimon
- to me its no different then religion.yurimon
- its pure intent is lost in the reflection of a corrupt people of modern society.yurimon
- utopian1
I was at the Whitney Museum this afternoon...there was so much pretentious art nailed on just about every wall in the museum.
- pinkfloyd-1
People calling kanye west an artist and genius makes me cringe.
- pango0
No? no example of something you absolutely can't call art?
- http://www.claringto…inteliboy
- a bucket of paint, a soldering iron, a tree, a cotton thread, a smoke alarm etc etc etc.inteliboy
- in context of the real world everyday, many objects are not art.inteliboy
- sure, they're "found objects". put em in a white room and charge admissionscarabin
- the urinal on next post is exactly what scarabin's talking about. lolpango
- Scarabin my dear. You are missing the point of found art completely I'm afraidmarychain
- pango0
- the 2nd one is THE reference piece that answers your question. Duchamps (or R. Mutt) challenged the art world exposing this as art.uan
- The urinal wasn't art. The intent of the artist elevated it. Duchamp was a Dadaist...look it up bro. Dada was antI art....meant to challenge definitions.marychain
- The challenge by the artist was the art.marychain
- How does one not understand this at this point? Are we in high school?marychain
- yup, to what marychain saidpr2
- love how people always try to piss in itjaylarson
- marychain0
Fuck dude...you aren't getting this at all are you? Did you go to art or design school? I'm seriously thinking you're a bit mentally challenged at this point....certainly uneducated...or just taking the piss...I can't tell anymore...but it's embarrassing.
- lol
Let's just say i've lost hope for art. and simply sticking with what i like and don't like.pango - Fine! Let's bring Andy into this! What is this shit! http://youtu.be/eCha…pango
- lolmoldero
- lol
- inteliboy0
You could say that about anything. It's just context and semantics.
In theory you could eat a usb cable right now and call it food because it went into your stomach. Or roll a glass along a table and call it music because it made sounds.
Put something like that urinal in a gallery, then yes, you are making a statement, and very much could call it "art". Hell, you may see a urinal in a dumpster next to a discarded wedding dress - in context that could be art to someone who stopped and thought about it, even outside of a gallery.
- ps - the debate about abstract or modern art being real art is boring as fuck. What is interesting about your question is what is NOT art, specifically.inteliboy
- Cuz I'm tired of the question "but is it art?" There's always a heated conversation following that question as demonstrated above lol.pango
- So I tried to rephrase the question attempting to see if I get different answer. It's like figuring out negative space to find positive space. Lolpango
- i like your question. makes you think. as opposed to the boring "what is art?"inteliboy
- Art is very broad and vague. So Im trying to go the opposite extreme. What's absolutely not art. Probably should have phrased it like that.pango
- Perhaps I should call this thread an act of performing art or some sort. To get reaction from people. Just look at how worked up Marychain is. Lolpango
- "What happens when someone question what is/isn't art"pango
- Hey marychain why don't you tell this guy he's wrkng for this post on how it's all about perspective?. It's the same view as mine.monospaced