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- nb1
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence…
Here is some evidence, Set, with references. Now, let's see some of your "evidence" that you keep talking about but never show.
- "Climate change is happening on every planet in the solar system" - set2002
- set has been to other planets and other solar systems so he knows2002
- http://www.livescien…yurimon
- ^Your evidence is an article with one scientist saying humans are contributing but aren't the sole contributor while another scientist said "Nonsense"? Lulz.nb
- There are other articles admit to climate change in the solar system. It was expected for them to go limp with bullshit about the causes. they dont know.yurimon
- you are going to have go bit more on this one then you little consumer self buddy.yurimon
- Lol that's not evidence that its caused by humans? And it doesn't even mention the other planets. Derpset
- That's evidence of climate change, a fact no one here is denying. If you're going to try and argue at least know what you're arguing about. Lolset
- nasa vs set2002
- Nasa says planets are heating up, they dont get into causes at least in public debate bro..yurimon
- NASA says the same thing I'm saying. Are you winding me up or are you really that thick?set
- Set, NASA is not saying that other planets are heating up as fast ours. You're dead wrong, go back and read all the information they have on Venus' climatezarkonite
- NASA's data is showing very long (aka normal) timescales for everything. Our planet heating up noticeably in a century is a brand new phenomenon, as is such azarkonite
- rapid rise in CO2.zarkonite
- nb2
Are you guys serious with the "other planets" argument? It's not a relevant argument against the scientific community because science says that humans contribute and have sped up climate change on Earth.
You can't use planets where humans don't exist as an example to prove that humans don't contribute to climate change on earth. Logic doesn't work that way.
Let me explain with an analogy. (It's not perfect, but it illustrates the formal fallacy in your logic.)
Let's say we were discussing if smoking is a factor in how long a person lives. We'll assume we have scientific evidence that says smoking causes causes cancer that results in death, and we have scientific evidence that smokers do not live as long as non-smokers. (As we have evidence that climate change has sped up since the industrial revolution.)
You could not argue by saying "But look at this huge group of non-smokers that also died! 100% of them died, and many of them died at relatively young age! And people died at even younger ages before smoking was invented! Therefore smoking is not a contributor to death!"
It's not a valid argument.
- you're right but in the end does it matter? so you die at 60 of smoke related causes or you live until 70 with alzheimers or the 1000's of other age related_niko
- diseases that will get us one way or another._niko
- Well, I'd bet some would argue that it matters much more when we're talking about years upon years of potential life for billions of people.nb
- the planets thing is based on 50 year old data, and has been often debunked. don't worry, nutters gonna nut.inteliboy
- "And has often been debunked"
What planet are you living on? The data is straight from nasaset - You'll say anything to defend your warped and implanted opinion, it's bizarre. Al gore loves people like you hahaset
- Why are you so obsessed with Al Gore?nb
- It doesn't need to be debunked. It's a logical fallacy, therefore irrelevant!nb
- inteliboy4
I've always found it disheartening, that even right here in qbn, amongst a relatively small selection of people, there's always some nutjob stirring us all up.
To think of how important this topic is, the factual morbid reality of it all, and here we have some fuckwit ranting about some bizarre conspiracy of other planets as it it's the "truth" and we're all wrong.
- inteliboy5
It just ads noise and mind numbing debate into something that DOESN'T NEED DEBATE ANYMORE. It's fucking 2015, not 1995.
- deathboy-4
Climate change is something that is and will continue to happen. It's funny when politicians talk about curbing climate change or stopping it. They're more nutty than the people who don't believe in climate change. Especially since the majority just confuse the question with the implied cause.
If the question is do humans effect climate it would be hard to see anyone really saying they don't. Everything effects. Now if the question is to what extent do they effect climate change compared to other things that is a whole different story that scientists can't even prove. They have models based on very myopic data that is usually skewered to prove their bias. And they try to figure stuff out, but I doubt any smart scientist can really believe his model accurately takes in all of the possible things driving climate change and measures them accurately. That would be pretty god like. I think dumb people just think smart scientists can measure and know all. I think it is also a little self centered to think we are so special that we are driving such a large change. It's more likely we are helping to either progress or hinder a natural rhythm.
One thing is for sure we know that before humans existed their was ice ages and huge climate swings outside industrial man. Mayans and other ancient civilizations are thought to have moved from extreme climate change. Saw a NATgeo show about a remains in barren deserts that showed it once was a lush landscape with humans. The little ice age in the 1600s....
We know extreme climate change existed before man, why do we think we are driving it now as the primary force when we never did before? I see no empirical evidence to believe such things, and I really am skeptical if any evidence can ever be given. All i see is data points proving ones incentivized biased views. And like climate change can anyone not agree that that a fear of something we cant do anything about or ever will be able to do anything about is a great mechanism in order to get people to pay people who say they can do something about it? Its a bit like religion in that after death cant be proven stuff. And its full of "well intentioned" plans that it makes it easy to throw money at and feel good about your idiocy in believing these "smart" people will take care of it.Climate change is just change. Its existence and without change there is only non-existence.
- let's not listen to this guy, its freaking 2015 people, the science is set in stone( the irony), let's put all the people that agree with him in camps!!georgesIII
- My bowels move and change every day. Doesn't mean I don't blame some bad mexican food for a diarrhea session.inteliboy
- Yes earth changes, all the time, often drastically. Though the correlation between man made co2 and global warming is overwhelming.inteliboy
- correlation between man made co2 and global warming... How did they measure all manmade Co2? And how do they correlate it to something like global warming thatdeathboy
- isnt a constant. And by global warming im guessing u just mean climate change. What is the difference than alarmism for the current warming now and the coolingdeathboy
- in the 70s? Perhaps no difference than branding of a scare people don't understand for profitable gains?deathboy
- since when are scientists a bunch of shady characters who are after profits?inteliboy
- as for measurements - I have no idea. I'm not a climate scientist. Though it seems there's a shit load of them on internet forums.inteliboy
- also, the global cooling thing in the 70's was a handful of wish wash, with barely any solid data... Like all these "climate denier" myths.inteliboy
- There's always something. Some little twinkle of escapism and people latch on for dear life.inteliboy
- Up a few posts it was the planet are all warming, now it's that we were sold global cooling in the 70's. Both of which are untrue.inteliboy
- I had to stop after the third effect.ORAZAL
- Lolset
- @deathboy Can you directly refute the evidence in the Nasa link I posted above? You say you've seen no evidence, but there it is.nb
- @nb I don't refute the link. Id guess they are right that c02 has risen. It rises with and without people. Id question why the higher levels dont quite equatedeathboy
- with the current temperatures. shouldnt it be far warmer with that huge amount of co2?deathboy
- ORAZAL3
My small contribution
affect: Have an effect on; make a difference to:
'the dampness began to affect my health'effect: A change which is a result or consequence of an action or other cause:
'the lethal effects of hard drugs'
- set-1
- ARE YOU SAYING THE SUN AFFECTS THE WEATHER?
stop plz,
only humans are producing planetary killing C02georgesIII - Planet killing? Lolset
- so it's sunspots now?inteliboy
- also cherry picked data, read up on this properly set.inteliboy
- also why does georges post in 4chan meme speak all the time?inteliboy
- 4 chan meme speak? lol,georgesIII
- ARE YOU SAYING THE SUN AFFECTS THE WEATHER?
- detritus3
Hmmm. Who to favour?
Set, an internet commenter with a lot of time on his hands who buys three pairs of shoes a month and a new mobile phone twice a year and who would presumably now want to have his consumer lifestyle ethos impacted upon; Who has one poorly-recalled data point he read once on an 'open minded' left of field news outlet on the internet, backed up by a surfeit of self-conviction and an earnest need to be confrontational for no worthwhile reason, other than contrarianism...
...or a global groundswell of scientists and researchers from a swathe of disciplines who have dedicated their lives to their fields and whose competence and respect in those fields is qualified quantitatively by renumeration and employment by relevant and respected institutions, and qualitatively by peer acknowledgment; Who have staring them in the face the thermodynamic consequences of ½Bn years extra atmospheric CO2 deposition in the space of half a millennium*?
Decisions, decisions!
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*numbers picked put of ass, just to give set something to grab on to.
- Imma just going to go ahead and downvote myself in advance.detritus
- Believe in carbon tax exchanges. Bankers know best.yurimon
- Economists have experience in limiting the over-reach of markets, yes. Adam Smith said as much 300 years ago.detritus
- Pollution and deforestation are bigger problems. The Ocean is swimming in plastic. You have man made plastic chemicals in your body from birth.yurimon
- Do you remember Acid Rain? No? Good, that's because we killed it off with Credits and trading allowances 25 years ago.detritus
- Fukushima radiation in the atmosphere n ocean, fresh water increasingly polluted,
filterer run off n monsanto toxins in water, also you piss pharmaceuticals.yurimon - Sure, Yuri, I'm with you, but this is the 'Cimate Change' thread, not the 'hoy in some irrelevant 3rd party argument' threaddetritus
- ^fertilizer run off. er. You have deforestation. carbon is least of the worries. its a political issue for banker to impose taxes.yurimon
- Throw in a pejorative like 'banker' (NO ONE likes bankers!) and conflate intent with accident and sure, there's conspiracy everywhere.detritus
- detritus. well you guys never deal with core issues. climate change debate is still a political issue tied to property rights and agenda 21. look into it,yurimon
- Aye, I'm well aware of the Left Field's dogged misinterpretation of Agenda 21, thanks, again, this is the Cimate Change thread.detritus
- Lol at your comments as if you know anything about me. Hahaha what a bizarre twit.set
- Lol at your comments as if you know anything. Hahaha what a bizarre twit.detritus
- What a humourously petty little shit you are, haha.set
- Given a straw poll, I imagine most QBNers probably view you as being the 'petty little shit', quick as you are to insult people.detritus
- Petty is bringing bizarre personal insults into a debate on climate change, haha.set
- "I'm not petty, you're petty, do a poll!!!!"
Nope, not petty at all hahahaset - We get it, you'll accept whatever propaganda you're spoon-fed and you'll ridicule everything that doesn't fit into your world view. It's ok pal.set
- I merely distilled your recently-admitted activities. I'm not the one who first bent 'bizarre personal insults' in here - read back again. See? that was you.detritus
- & lol at you for not seeing the duality in propaganda, how it's more than likely you spoon feeding shit to other mouth-breathing troglodytes. That was an insultdetritus
- Obviously detritus you have no historic knowledge of how control is gained over people through ignorance. post something true please...yurimon
- Oh God, whatever - you carry on proselytising your vapid paranoia and ignoring the subject in hand then. Jesus, if only you could see yourself from this side.detritus
- There is power imbalance in the world with its own interests in conflict with perhaps your interests. it nothing mystical when groups gain power. right now itsyurimon
- banks, some time ago it was monarchy and the church. each with its pattern of tyranny. nothing changed that much just a different group asserting itself.yurimon
- blah blah blah — still prattling on irrelevantly? All this hot air's not doing the atmosphere any good, Yuridetritus
- inteliboy2
It's okay, you obviously believe /something else/ is happening. Be it sunspots or volcanoes or earth cycles or whatever the fuck. Cool.
I'll tell you though, I know people who work in this field for a living, and the things they tell me are really frightening. For them this is very real, hard, science, happening right at this very minute - and most of it doesn't make the papers, the media don't write about it, shady scientists don't profit from it, governments don't gain power from it. Yeah we see icebergs melting and smog in china, but there is a lot more going on. It's a loose loose situation for everyone. There's no conspiracy theory, no bad science, no boogey men wanting your tax money. It just is. Whenever a debate comes up you can see the frustrated exhaustion in their eyes. It's the very last thing that needs to happen.
- monospaced0
Well at least yurimon and set have a topic they agree on.
- Tell Al gore I said Hi for me Mono. thanksyurimon
- Tell your buddy Ted Cruz to go fuck himself.monospaced
- Tell your mom, palin to stop being a drama queenyurimon
- Ok, that one makes no sense.monospaced
- Its your left brain imbalance talking. it makes sense for your comment makes no sense.yurimon
- lol!monospaced
- georgesIII0
I wonder how many times, humans or another versions of us, set down and started arguing how we could save this planet in the 4'5 billions years it's been here, asteroids, volcanos, ice ages, drought periods, decertifications,
the planet is still here,
we have to stop pretending we have the power to save this planet and switch the subject of how we are going to save ourselves from what this planet can do to us,
- desertification =/= decertifications,
I'll also add infectious diseases and earthquakes to the list of way this planet can wipe us outgeorgesIII - The Cimate change debate should be nothing more than about us learning to live within our means, and trying to fix our previous fuck ups. That's it. Just that.detritus
- Isn't that like saying "why bother wearing seat belts, if I am meant to go, I'll go?"formed
- "Save the planet" was always just shorthand for keeping it liveable for humans.yuekit
- No one seriously thought the entire planet was going to be destroyed like in some B movie sci fi.yuekit
- Liveable for an being on here now, sureformed
- desertification =/= decertifications,
- formed0
The planet will survive, but isn't that irrelevant if we die? Climate change isn't just about some apocalyptic end. It's about the gradual things that will wreck havoc on our way of life, from larger storms that destroy more to the re-balancing of nature (bugs, food supply, etc.).
It's like saying war and killing is a natural act, so why bother trying to avoid it?
The planet will live on long after we are gone, I'd just like to do as much as possible to keep it nice and pretty while we are here. If there's anything we can do to make our impact on the world a little less destructive, I am all for it.
This goes for GMO's, energy, war, etc., etc. They all destroy a little piece.
Another analogy would be like smoking, "why bother quitting if you could die by some other cause? People always will die of random things that are beyond our control, so why bother with health?"
- Nothing last forever. So be it.ApeRobot
- Smoke away, skip that seat beltformed
- You are building a paradise for psychopaths who in power. thus your nihilism.yurimon
- The fridge magnet poet has spokenORAZAL
- where did I say we should stop taking care of this planet, oooh yeah never did,
now if maybe we finally understand that we are destroying ourselve, maybe justgeorgesIII - The magnet you repel may well be your ownyurimon
- maybe, we will start to take this issue seriously, and treat humans being with more respect than maybe we will be able to make a change,...georgesIII
- true, the division with people is a purposeful one. divide and conquer.yurimon
- NO YURI, UR WRONG,
if only you were smart, you would be able to understand global warming--- > climate change, but no, you believe it's an alien conspiracygeorgesIII - I am so smart and well read, I'll post only authorised links from article depicting science and theories I do not understand, but you're dumb ok, so accept itgeorgesIII
- Dear mr troll the III, No I believe its a politicized issue. It lacks trust. I believe pollution and deforestation are core issues.yurimon
- Of course it is politicized, what's not? That is irrelevant.formed
- its relevant because it clouds debates.yurimon
- 20020
The term "Climate change" is political language change in a compromise for the "global warming"
Call it what it is and it always has been "global warming"
- 20020
Maybe we should all watch again
- A film made by one the most influential members of AmerIcan politics.
Yup. That's going to be truthful and trustworthy. LOLset - The mind boggles.set
- And points made by some shitty web designer from uk. Lolz derp2002
- Feel free to ask any American if al gore has been an influential politician, ever.2002
- "Mr Justice Barton yesterday said that while the film was "broadly accurate" in its presentation of climate change, he identified nine significant errors in theMorning_star
- ...film, some of which, he said, had arisen in “the context of alarmism and exaggeration” to support the former US vice-president’s ...Morning_star
- ...views on climate change.” (The Guardian)Morning_star
- Influential, well known, high ranking, whatever word you use is irrelevant to my point. A point which you cannot refute you you pick up on semantics. Hahaset
- linky link
http://www.weathertr…georgesIII - hahaha. that movie was debunked and al gore called out after the climate gate false date emails. they had to change the name to climate change.yurimon
- since global warming was proven a farce and al gore made millions of deals based on this false premiseyurimon
- Sorry which scientists debunked it?2002
- A film made by one the most influential members of AmerIcan politics.
- georgesIII-1
help, I'm so sick of being a shill for the oil companies and the Cock brothers,
can someone help me turn off Fox news for a moment?
- on one side you say people that do not accept that C02 as the main cause of global warming, are nutjob deniers with a penchant for hardcore Right wing fetishgeorgesIII
- then you downvote me for being honest of my hard on for the oil and coal industry,
you guys are weirdgeorgesIII - But co2 is natural so it's not the cause and its climate, it changes. Oh well.2002
- You are bound to die so what's the point of seeing a doctor?2002
- 20020
Creditable science - makes stuff work. Maybe it's time to stop creditable science.
- Let me guess... you voted for obama also.. hahaha!yurimon
- No of course not - but what does my politics have to do with science?2002
- Because there is science clean and true. and there is political gain through contaminating issues to create outcome. that being said. this is the prob the mostyurimon
- politically contaminated scientific issue of all time. climate change. So excuse the skepticism.yurimon
- Why would you think that the tomes of scientific data on human's causing climate change is all politically contaminated. Fact is, it's not.monospaced
- What you think that these phd students and researchers are all under some NDA about their "actual" findings, and are paid to show false evidence? Please.monospaced
- mekk0
Climate definitely changing here in southern germany/austra region imho: shit snowboard season this year, very rainy summers. Meh.
- 20020
Getting sick is natures' way telling you, you need to die. Please don't go see a doctor or use modern medicine based on science because it's not natural.
- yupmonospaced
- modern medicine is apparently just made up to make you ill, then make you stay ill.mekk
- I don't even know what point you're trying to make, who's sick us or earth? who's getting medicine? wtf is going on?georgesIII
- I was just being sarcasticmekk
- Dear 2002, alot has happened since. please update your user name. Your nihilistic diseased ways are obsolete in the future.yurimon
- what about his "ways" are nihilistic and diseased? He is advocating taking the side of those most knowledgable on the subject.monospaced
- Just because the most creditable sources point to a dim future doesn't mean it's nihilistic, or that you should immediately reject it because it seems so.monospaced
- Neither should you blindly believe what you are told by politicians supported by agenda driven scientific 'research'.Morning_star
- Basically don't believe anything. Hospitals and medicine are hoax.2002
- For your pleasure: https://www.scienceb…Morning_star
- were you 4 years old in 2002?yurimon
- Can you not comprehend sarcasm, yurimon?monospaced
- I'll take scientific research and evidence over the "I don't like this so I'll ignore it" approach so many are taking these days.monospaced
- Its up for debate, because of how who funds what and it doesnt deal with deeper issues because corporations will be on the ropes. hole system up for judgementyurimon
- I'll believe everything you say if you stop down voting me i know its you mono, you immoral cunt... lolyurimon
- The evidence from those scientists isn't all from those corporations, btw. Also, I'm not downvoting you, you imbecile.monospaced
- Also, what does downvoting have to do with morals, and why do you take it so seriosuly?monospaced
- I'm not chill out. Damn your left brain impediment, so hard to communicate with your extreme condition.. your like data character from star trek.yurimon
- You accused me of downvoting you and then called me an immoral cunt and then say I have a communication problem? pleasemonospaced
- you have an understanding problem. first of all you should know me by now, im not seriously demeaning. 2nd you analize like data from star trek.yurimon
- its hard to explain the whole human experience in few mb's of text.yurimon
