R.I.P. Philip Seymour Hoffman
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- GeorgesIV0
fuckn assholes, this is why you guys have no talent, these comments make me sick, I'm contorting myself with diarrhea
as I write this,
the bloke hasn't been dead 12 min that everyone who didn't know him except for his Hollywood persona and couldn't care less about his drug addiction 13 min ago are now coming in block to make an internet point,
100 fuckn messages unbelievable,
I'm going back to dailypooper !!!1!- don't forget the starving kids in africa, we should all be focusing on them anywaymonospaced
- One of the more ridiculous things you've said. Good jobmarychain
- my personal fan club with the eternal broken sarcasm detector, sigh.. makes me mad you guys are actually adultsGeorgesIV
- oh... I got the sarcasm, and added a little more on top for good measuremonospaced
- hehehe
my muse
http://www.qbn.com/t…GeorgesIV - ya i saw that reference. although... http://www.quickmeme…pango
- proud to be your muse... could you at least try and make some sense though? :)PonyBoy
- Oh, QBN...eoin
- He died with a heroin needle in his arm and his kids at home. All I need to know champ. He was a weak cunt. Do not rest in peace.CygnusZero4
- peace.CygnusZero4
- PonyBoy0
I appreciate some of you sharing your family's stories... I too have a brother who is owned by heroin... battles his cravings for that and any other drug he can get his hands on.
I'm scared I will be the one to find his body one day. :( Most of my family has written him off as a loser who needs 'tough love'... ... I've come to terms over the years that 'tough love' is misguided and useless... being pushed away and told rotten things about himself only sent my brother into deeper depression which brought on more drugs (and the booze... good grief the booze). COMPASSION has gone a long way with my brother... he's managed to hold a job for nearly a year, gets to his classes / meetings (forced by the State... my bro's drugs / booze have put him in jail a few times so even finding a 'good' job is difficult)... ... hell - he's even starting to pay rent on time for the first time in his life :) He's been clean of the drug for 2+ years now... he's even manage to ditch the methadone so he's living without any crutches...
I apologize for my heavy emotion on the last page... attacking 'talent' has nothing to do with this conversation :). I'm just really disappointed at how classless some of the posts / opinions are (this place has gone downhill, not in talent but in intellectuality - I openly admit I resemble what I'm describing and am probably part of the problem).
Regardless, acting like PSH deserved to die or had no care for anyone else but himself... what a heartless load of shit... familiarize yourselves with heroin / addiction a bit - the ignorance here bums me out. :(
- "this place has gone downhill"
You obviously missed the Chinese spammer epidemic of 2011-2012ukit2 - good to hear your brother is doing fine now!sureshot
- thx, sureshot :)PonyBoy
- Glad to hear he is doing okay, and well done you too, it ain't easy.eoin
- yea pbj, great to here he's doing good. he's lucky to have you. *hugsea_sea
- yo, pony I'm happy your brother kicked his demons, as an ex etard I know how hard it is, just wanted to joke and be a cunt as usual, <3GeorgesIV
- usual, <3GeorgesIV
- "this place has gone downhill"
- utopian0
LOL @ Pango
- MrT0
Seems like Sydney's Daily Telegraph jumped on the judgement bandwagon too. But not for long.
http://www.theguardian.com/media…
- Milan0
- "you owe these drugs back what they delivered to you"Milan
- very true.renderedred
- Hoffman obviously never saw this videoutopian
- yurimon0
some fancy footwork there for police..
- renderedred0
i only give one advice to people about heroin: "if you haven't tried it yet, just don't." other than that, people that haven't done it or at least experienced someone close doing it have no idea what this drug is about.
- Yup, H is the one drug I decided long ago I'd never fucking try. Too much of a risk I'd like it and not want out again.detritus
- exactly.renderedred
- oey0
Heroin is so 80's...
But being an asshole and talk about what you don't know is timeless, specially here in QBN.- that's what QBN is for :)renderedred
- because nobody could possibly know right? But you do...you're specialmarychain
- _niko0
For me the main point is not that he was a heroin addict but that he started using again after 20+ years. It was his decision to start again knowing full well the risks and what was at stake.
He had young kids he should have been smarter about it. Paid for it in the end, shitty for him and shittier for his family.
Granted, as mentioned before that even after 20 years he could have had daily cravings, such is the power of heroin, but he had the means to get world class help if he wanted it.
A man has to own up to his actions at some point and take responsibility for his decisions.
- d_rek0
_niko
Please stop talking about things you simply cannot understand.
- why attack each other, make a point and help me understand, are we not having a discussion?_niko
- d_rek......LAZY arguement. "You simply cannot understand"...why?marychain
- ...nevermind. I'm donemarychain
- It's not a lazy argument. Have you ever been addicted to heroin or lived with one? It's just the truth.d_rek
- I know way too much about it friend...at some point...no more sympathymarychain
- d_rek0
Heroin addiction is not merely an addiction to a substance - it is generally accompanied by a multitude of other psychological and physiological ailments, diseases, and illnesses.
The substance itself has been shown to alter the physiology of the human brain. There are a host of other physiological conditions that can develop as a result of heroin addiction, the least of which are a result of actually penetrating the skin with a needle.
In addition to substance addiction heroin addicts often develop depressive psychiatric disorders, often which persist well after (if not for the rest of the affected individuals life) they have stopped abusing a substance.
This confluence of psychological and physiological ailments often persist long after a heroin addict stops using the actual substance, and is one of the major reasons why there is such an astoundingly high rate of - as much as 80% - relapse for individuals with a prior history of heroin addiction.
- d_rek0
So when you say "They made a choice to do such and such.."
Yes, that's true. There is always a choice to be made. But for individuals with psychiatric disorders they just don't view their choices in the same light as people who don't have those issues.
So when you say "He should have made the choice not to use heroin because of his family and such and such..."
Well for him it may not have been much of a choice at all. A depressed individual might have an extremely lowered sense of self-worth. He might have convinced himself that using heroin again - despite knowing the consequences - was easier than not. It would 'take the pain away'. That other people in his life would be better off without him. That they would just forget about him and move on with there life.
It's very difficult to understand this type of thinking for people who have never been addicted, depressed, or intimately acquainted with someone who has been.
- d_rek0
_niko
If you really want to develop a deeper understanding and even a compassionate perspective on heroin addiction it would behoove you to attend a local Narcotics Anonymous meeting. Virtually any major city has one. If not you should be able to find a detox clinic where a nurse may be able to discuss the issues facing heroin addicts further. They are generally very caring and compassionate people and very forthright when sharing information about substance abuse.
- monkeyshine0
Heroin is the great equalizer. Having means and money has nothing to do with ones ability to resist or kick it.
It would be great if people would stop with the us vs. them way of thinking. Having compassion for an addict, even one who has had an otherwise privileged life, does not take away capacity for having compassion for the loved ones the addict leaves behind.
- d_rek0
_niko
My Dad ran the gamut of professional and freely available social services: professional psychiatric care, NA, AA, etc...
The problem is that these type of services and care require a huge, diligent effort from both recovering addicts and their immediate family/friends. Professional help is costly and not always effective. There is no magic formula or zen doctor that is going to 'enlighten' a previous addict into never wanting to use again. An social programs like NA quickly become routine for people who have been in and out of them.
And, as was the case with my Dad, the whole 'seeking help' thing becomes very passé. They start to think that "I've been here, done that, and there isn't much left for me here so I might as well stop going and and talking to someone, doing 12 steps, etc."
PHS could have been having the worlds best treatment for his 23 years of sobriety. But one day where he goes "You know what I think i'm about done with this" is all it would take for them to slip.
You have to understand that substance addiction care and therapy requires a TREMENDOUS amount of resources - emotionally, temporally, and financially. Once one or the other is not there to support a recovering addict it becomes very, very easy for them to slip and relapse.
- uuuuuu0
I understand your point d_rek but I'd like to take exception to your use of the term "zen doctor". In my experience zen philosophy and practice certainly doesn't claim to be any sort of instant cure all, it teaches diligence, patience and simply 'dealing with it' as it is, as you are. Just feel what you are feeling without judgement.
Zen meditation if taught properly would be extremely practical therapeutic technique for addicts and is in fact used for just that all over the world.
Maybe you are thinking about some sort of quack magic doctors which are real of coarse even within Buddhist cultures but that's just out dated traditionalism.
- It's unfortunate you took the phrase literally, since it was not intended that way.d_rek
- But I will keep that in mind for future references to 'zen doctor'd_rek
- i know what your intent was but as I said I took exception to provide something useful to the subjectuuuuuu
- not enough people understand what Zen really is, I doubt you do either otherwise you wouldn't have used the word in the contextuuuuuu
- that contextuuuuuu
- d_rek0
@marychain
Hey I get it. As much as I love my Dad it's really hard for me to sympathize with his situation because, essentially, it was all of his own design. At some point, regardless of the power of the drug, people DO have to take responsibility for their actions. And he was right there, making those shitty, life altering decisions even though he HAD to of known the consequences of them.
My Dad is no saint. He did some terrible, shitty things to my family the last few years. Most of those things I have absolutely zero sympathy for because, regardless of the reasons he made up in his head to do them, there is simply no reason good enough for anyone to do those things. Ever.
I'm not saying that everyone needs to go out and hug a heroin addict. It's a lot more complicated than just "Oh you should be compassionate or sympathetic or whatever."
Heroin addiction is a complicated thing. And everyone's experience with it or with someone who is suffering through it is going to differ. It's many shades of grey and is rarely black and white. There is no right or wrong. There is only what's right for you and for the people you love.
I'm not here trying to get people to sympathize with heroin addiction. I'm just trying to get people to empathize - as best as those of us who have never lived through such an experience - a little.
- Milan0
I heard an ayahuasca trip is a good way to drop a heroin addiction and that it's a life-changing experience that makes you see everything much differently after.