Star Wars Episode VII
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- utopian0
3.5 Han Solo's out 5
- Half a Han?Ramanisky2
- 3 fingersMrT
- 3.5 troll posts outta 5inteliboy
- Teeeheee nerdsHayoth
- hans_glib0
it was ok. not as bad as i feared or as good as i had hoped.
to me the best thing about this episode was the characterisation of ren - a self-hating angry weakling - they always end up as bullies. yes the voice was silly, but again it made sense as he was trying to be something he couldn't deliver.
otherwise the film offered nothing new to the series - no new vision, or expanded story. it just seemed to be the first half of the handover to the next generation. next ep - what happened to luke and then dudes'n'daisy go off to repeat the other films
- "a self-hating angry weakling" - so EMO for short lol?fadein11
- not emo, just a passive-aggressive asshole.docpoz
- i thought emos were self-harmers? different from bullieshans_glib
- he was a weak little baby. had to struggle to fight two ppl who never used a light saber before in their lives.sarahfailin
- autoflavour2
- Taken directly from a poor quality bootleg. Seriously, some movies are just worth paying to go watch in a theatre.ArmandoEstrada
- Are they really though?cotton
- pango0
There's another theory that rei is related to kenobi
- HAYZ1LLLA3
Saw it. Loved it. That is all.
- freedom1
It's a reboot, get over it.
- Soft reboot. It still has ties to the original timeline.jagara
- ah - its a reboot, wish I'd known that 3 years ago.fadein11
- a new hope remakeCygnusZero4
- freedom0
Apparently Wookiees don’t age, or they age much slower than human actors do.
- Chewie uses Just for Wookies® to deal with the graysprophetone
- Bit hard to see aged skin under all that hair...set
- well, for something that is supposed to be 240 years old.. he isnt doing too badautoflavour
- https://pbs.twimg.co…set
- he looked v.different for sure.fadein11
- mg330
The line where C3PO said to Han Solo "you may not recognize me because of the red arm" was absolutely hilarious and a perfect line for C3PO.
Did anyone else laugh out loud at that?
- nope. i find C3PO annoying. but glad not jar jar...pango
- good scene. followed by bad chemistry between ford and fisher. wth happened there?sofakingback
- agreed, perfect line. it's what made him so lovably annoying in the originals.prophetone
- "wth happened there?"
their son for one?bainbridge
- pango0
I'm gonna call it! Luke will die in the next movie!
- yeah, would not be surprising...docpoz
- https://www.youtube.…ETM
- No, they will do that in 9.. Leila will die next .. Or chewieautoflavour
- They should never kill off Chewie. Any actor can play him, and he could live through decades (centuries!) of SW movies.nb
- Killing him off would cost the studio a lot of money in lost merchandising opportunities!nb
- fadein11-3
Does anyone know how the Falcon is flown? Whoever is flying it regardless of the elaborate acrobatics they are performing just sits in front of a hug control panel with a couple of levers not really doing anything.
Hand and Chewie in the asteroid belt.
Rey in the downed Star Destroyer.
Lando in Death Star II.
I know its part of its charm but I imagine it must be quite tricky controlling that ship with one lever and a load of flashing lights?- *huge *Hanfadein11
- You are aware it's a movie, right? ; )dopepope
- I imagine it's a lot like the self driving cars of today, but with an asteroid avoidance feature as an upgrade_niko
- The cockpit changed in the movies. By ROTJ their were yokes for the pilots.ETM
- The yokes are clearly visible in TFA. Here's a shot of the set piece:
http://ichef.bbci.co…ETM - cool - but never used if you watch the desert scene. I was just being light-hearted anyway.fadein11
- Argh! Just noticed: their = there.ETM
- It's that one big lever that Han so obviously uses in the new episode.. That's all u needautoflavour
- I've never thought much of it, but assume that lever is the throttle.ETM
- Star Wars is not what you call hard sci-fi...jagara
- ^ETM
- It's mostly AImonospaced
- utopian0
- forever alonejaylarson
- been looking for some stills of this flash back, good stuffburd-turglar
- Anyone notice how ray's staff looks a lot like the staffs the dudes/dudettes are carryingburd-turglar
- this theory sucks.inteliboy
- Which theory. The ewok thing?burd-turglar
- My guess is luke encountered the staff dude and took the staff and gave it to rei. Why would luke give farms ode weapon to rei? I don't know.pango
- Or maybe Reis staff is just a normal staff with no significance...pango
- The powered off saber may be Vader's? Retrieved from Luke. Now behind a glass display in kylos basement.pango
- *farmes ode = dark side
I don't even know how...pango - Lol, yea I was wondering what the fuck that was supposed to meanburd-turglar
- So I tend to think what drove Luke to fail as kylo's master was that he had a love child with one of his apprentices that went on to become one of kylo's knightburd-turglar
- Of ren. And that ray is Luke's kid by one of lukes' fallen apprentices, and that it is all lukes' fault for submitting to his desire, Kotor styleburd-turglar
- sofakingback0
Also, I meant to say this: as I watched the film it was so clear that my time with star wars was back when I was a kid. Those movies were for me and we enjoyed the hell out of it as kids.
Our time is over and its time for new kids to love and enjoy the new fix. these movies are for them, not us anymore.
Good luck trying to top Empire Strikes Back! :)
- Well this is true. These movies arent make for us. Every kid in my theater loved this movie. Some of the adults... meh on it.CygnusZero4
- Yep - 2nd time in I tried to watch as a child more I think that's why I let it's problems go more.fadein11
- But then I watched parts of OT over Xmas - still far superior... the debate goes on :)fadein11
- It goes on mainly for you and Cygnus. Many of us have moved on with life :)ETM
- Well, i disagree. Pixar, for instance, are great at making their movies for all ages. There are layers for the kids, and layers for the adults.jagara
- Thus, the appeal is very broad. The same with Star Wars.jagara
- But i definitely found TFA appealing a bit more to kids than adults. Still, i enjoyed them. It still did'nt touch the originals.jagara
- Quality-wise, i mean.jagara
- @ETM - moved on yet still comments lol.fadein11
- scarabin0
"Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace"
Runtime: 136 min"Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones"
Runtime: 142 min | USA:120 min (IMAX Version)"Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith"
Runtime: 140 min"Star Wars IV: A New Hope"
Runtime: 121 min | 125 min (special edition)"Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back" Runt
ime: 124 min | USA:127 min (special edition)"Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi"
Runtime: 134 min | 135 min (special edition)"Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens"
Runtime: 136 mincan we quit crying about it getting "cut in half"? it's the same length as every other star wars movie.
- it's actually one of the two longest episodes.scarabin
- sorry, *fourscarabin
- I think it was probably cut - final length is irrelevant - my point was it needed 15-30mins of slower paced stuff to build suspense.fadein11
- you can see a lot of shoe-horning in it.fadein11
- v.little suspense in it which is odd for a SW movie.fadein11
- True, more a pacing issue than a runtime issueburd-turglar
- Yup, agreed, too consistent and evenformed
- if you mean it never got boring, yeah i agreescarabin
- there was plenty of pacing contrast, rey scavenging for example was a lot slower and intimate than say, a star fight. and the scene with han and kyloscarabin
- was primarily characterized by suspense. did you even see the movie?scarabin
- Settle down there sparkles, it's a little thing called difference of opinionburd-turglar
- there's no need to call people names, gilga.scarabin
- Wow you are one sensitive guy huhburd-turglar
- you don't see the irony in you trying to insult me over having a difference of opinion with someone?scarabin
- (here's a hint: you're making a personal attack while i was actually staying on topic)scarabin
- So calling you sparkles constitutes a personal attack lol, good greif stop being a drama queenburd-turglar
- Isn't that your nickname, sparkles, sparky, something like that lol. Geez pal go take a quaaaalude or something, loosen upburd-turglar
- lol. no, it isn't. and nothing i've said comes even close to how worked up you've gotten in other exchanges on qbn lately. again with the ironyscarabin
- Well I hope you find it in your heart to forgive me for verbally attacking you by calling you sparkles lol, get a gripburd-turglar
- pointing out your hypocrisy isn't the same as giving a fuck. don't worry, i won't hold it against you.scarabin
- Seeing as how you argued with me for 200+ posts not too long ago, I fail to see how you have any moral high ground here sparklesburd-turglar
- you fail to see a lot of things. i still forgive you.scarabin
- Thank goodness for that sparky, glad to hear that my viscious verbal assault didn't wound you too deepburd-turglar
- already said it's cool man, don't make this awkward. you're kind of being creepy nowscarabin
- Isn't that horrible, first I assault you verbally and now I've made you feel akward, oh the injustice, how ever will you copeburd-turglar
- i'm sure i'll survive somehowscarabin
- Scarabin - you do need to chill out - people are entitled to have a different opinion than you - and let's face it you watched it on acid - are you sure you hadfadein11
- a grip of pacing in the film, acid plays with temporal cognition in some funny ways. Just chill out - yes you loved it. It was good. But could have been evenfadein11
- better with some more attention to cinematic foundations such as plot, pacing and character development. But yes - as I said my rating went up to 7/10 afterfadein11
- viewing again. Are you even a Star Wars fan? Because you are in the minority for not noticing a few of it's lazy faults.fadein11
- yeah, i host a star wars RPG every week at my place and build lightsabers in my spare time. i just don't agree that pacing was an issue, and i feel thatscarabin
- mirroring the original films actually help save the series instead of being a writing crutch. i'm also aware of exactly how acid effects me and in general thatscarabin
- effect is one of increased attention to detail and an immunity to the effects of sleepiness. i think being tired watching the film at 1 am had more of an effectscarabin
- on people than my low dose of acid did. people are cranky, tired, hazy, stood in line for too long, whateverscarabin
- i'm cool with your 7/10 rating– the movie was just a fun space fantasy. it's the 4/10 business that blows my mindscarabin
- i also avoided all trailers and teasers, articles, etc about the movie beforehand so i went in with no expectations. many others had the hype get the bestscarabin
- of them only to be let down.scarabin
- okay - that's cool - just feel you seem to only be open to one opinion on things - yours. lol. Laterz, Enjoy the rest of the festivities.fadein11
- i agree i came on a little strong, my bad. it's just a movie after all.
cheers manscarabin
- jagara0
So, saw A New Hope 2.0 yesterday.
Some poorly organized preliminary thoughts:
I was thoroughly entertained all the way through. The two hours flew by. I admit to being completely captivated from the first moment.
Kylo Ren and Rey (and to some extent, Finn) are great characters (Daisy Ridley stole the show!). Supreme leader Snoke was the most generic-looking villain I've seen in a long time.
The tempo is rushed. Wanted more quality time with the new characters. The story is a bit too simple for my taste, and leaning WAY too much on A New Hope. The dialogue frequently insulted my intellect. John Williams had his intern do the soundtrack.
It's all exactly what I expected. Adequate, competent, playing it (mostly) safe. Lazy in places. A good experience all in all. A worthy successor? Let me think some more.
4/6 stars
- ETM1
I agree the Han and Chewie introduction was terrible.
Lot's of interesting comments in the recent pages I wanted to add my two cents to.
**SPOILERS**
-"...Kylo being Han Solos son. I mean could that have felt anymore forced into the movie?"
Being their son plays back to the expanded universe (canon or not). It also cements the two characters as having a relationship beyond Jedi, and was ultimately the reason they also grew apart. As well it might have further plot benefits in the next movies.
-"He didnt need to be anyones son! He just needed to be a badass henchman for the first order, exactly what Vader was. He was just some guy, he didnt need to have all this other story shit attached to him."
Vader was not a random henchman... he was the protagonist's father after all and linchpin of the entire redemption arc. Kind of ridiculous to call him random in any regard. Even before you knew he was the father, he was "murderer" of the protagonist's father, and former pupil of the protagonist's mentor. Actually plain stupid to call Vader random, IMHO.
-"Why remove the helmet... does JJ know nothing about mysterious villians"
To me Kylo (helmet) and no helmet (Ben) was a visual representation of the conflict of dark and light within him. Even with Vader, his final redemption came to finality unmasked, as a representation of his duality.
-"What was the real threat in this movie? Them blowing up some random planets for no reason at all?"
The reason was clear. They destroyed the home system of the Republic, thus unseating the current government, destroying the secret supporters of the Resistance and creating a power vacuum for the First Order's rise to greater power. It was next trying to destroy the whole system that the Resistance used for its operations. It was clearly explained and I had a 6 year old distracting me.
- nice post
http://49.media.tumb…Bluejam - They established that they had the technology to build the ultimate weapon is a planet destroyer in the Death Star, in the 30 years that passed you could only.._niko
- Assume that they would improve on that weapon. 30 years after hirishima they still built bigger and better nuclear bombs._niko
- I agree, but how does that relate to the post?ETM
- sorry was just waking up when i posted lol, it was in addition to yours, commenting on how people say that a planet killing death star is a re-hash and lazy._niko
- also miss-read what you had written, but yeah I agree 100%_niko
- nice post
- Sep2
As a kid I was in love with the original trilogy. Saw the new one last weekend. Sure, it has its flaws, but after the prequel trilogy it's hard not to be excited about this movie. Made me feel like a kid again.
My favorite parts (SPOILERS):
- Feels like a tangible universe. The practical effects, the costumes, everything looks gritty and used, no over-the-top alien CGI landscapes.
- It actually MEANS something again when someone activates a lightsaber. In the prequel trilogy those things were fucking everywhere. Literally everyone had one and they whipped it out constantly. (The first minute of The Phantom Menace: a strange sound in the other room? Fushwoon nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn)
- A strong female lead. At the end she can use the force AND is taking off with the Millennium Falcon and Luke's lightsaber. How cool is that...
- Kylo Ren is a villain-in-progress, no fully established bad-ass like Vader was and I think that's interesting. Looking forward to see him develop in the next two movies, along with the heroes.
- Believable characters, whitty dialogue, solid acting, no mindless slapstick aimed at 4-year-olds...This movie is far from perfect but I'm far too happy about everything it does right.
- I do believe there was too much borrowing from the original trilogy, but I'm fairly confident Rian Johnson will take this story to exciting new places.Sep
- The biggest thing missing for me from the movie *was* the lightsabers. They're one of the truly unique things about Star Wars and without them, it's just...MondoMorphic
- ...another sci-fi space movie. The movie didn't get "real" until actual Jedi were dueling.MondoMorphic
