planes and turbulance
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- CygnusZero40
The whole thing with SwissAir111 is those guys smelled smoke in the cockpit. Well where theres smoke there is a fire, a fire that isnt going to put itself out.
At that point worrying about things like dumping fuel to make decending and landing easier seems like its wasting valuable time, which is exactly what it did. Its not officially listed as pilot error but ive seen enough from documentaries and reports from other pilots that said they should have taken it down immediately.
Nope, these guys were trying to figure out what airport to go to, worried about dumping fuel and all that did was close the gap til when the fire was able to cut of critical systems. They followed a manual and not common sense.
- CygnusZero40
"Zimmermann put Loew in charge of the descent while he personally ran through the two Swissair standard checklists for smoke in the cockpit, a process that would take approximately 20 minutes and become a later source of controversy"
Following a manual when you know there is a fire. That's not how you save lives. You take control and get that thing down on the ground. He read a line in there that said he should dump fuel so they spent time getting back out over the ocean. That's smart.
- CygnusZero40
" Loew informed ATC Halifax that he needed to dump fuel, which ATC Halifax controllers would say later was a surprise considering that the request came so late"
Derp. Nice decision.
- Jacque0
Alright. We get it. Pilots on Swiss Air 111 fucked up and people died, including an acquaintance of yours. Boogymen wires cause planes to blow up and you saw a documentary on it. Doesn't change the fact that you're well over 100* times more likely to die (diver or occupant) in a car than in a plane.
* source: http://www.nsc.org/NSC%20Picture…
- CygnusZero40
Sorry I get very bitter about this because I knew him, his wife and his daughter. These idiots had enough time to get that thing down. While a fire was brewing they spent time reading manuals and going out of their way to dump fuel.
Before that they were 30 miles from Halifax. Who the fuck smells smoke and then starts reading a manual??? They pilots are robots and need to follow instinct more. Many flights have crashed because these people just follow instructions instead of following common sense. Smell smoke, land anywhere you can immediately.
- CygnusZero40
I always think about that pilot on NY from a few years back that sensed a problem, told the manual to go suck a dick and landed that thing in the Hudson River saving everyone on board. Thats what real pilots do, not trained robots who just look at manuals. He said himself if he followed protocol he would be dead.
- rootlock0
Actually if you look at per km travelled planes are not as safe as they try to portray. Commuter planes you have a better chance of dieing than a car accident.
- OBBTKN0
My weirdest flying experience was when, 10 years a go, flying from Cancun to La Habana; we landed in Habana airport and listened the mechanic telling to the ground personell we´ve been flying with one engine less... good luck we´re flying on a TU-154 (powered with 3 engines ;))
- pango0
just had 6 flight in the last 7 or 8 days. fear of flying isn't an issue any more when you had to get where your going. and once your on the plane, your life is on the hands of the pilot. not much you can do but give in and try to get as much sleep as possible (if no crying baby on board...). with that said I do fly pretty often (used to at least).
some time in a split second during the turbulence, I do imagine the plane snap in half and explod. but nop, still alife! :)I used to hang out with with the flight attendants on the plane when i was a kid cuz I couldn't sleep. one of them even gave me her number hehe... but I lost it... o well I was jail bait anyway.
- Irafis0
I never had fear of flying, but my ex wife worked for Swissair and she was on service on a different plane when the Swissair flight crashed near Halifax. I knew she was fine but at the same time i was fucking scared because she was flying in USA too and sometimes the airline can change your working flight plan. I remember i got at least 4 phone calls in the middle of the night from our friends and my parents asking me if she was ok, and me shitting in my pants every time the phone rang thinking that the next call was from Swissair ... The next morning when she called me saying she was fine i could not stop to relax because i was always thinking to the real husbands and wives who lost their beloved one that day. It was a fucking horrible moment ... and every time i fly my mind goes always back at that day.
