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- Irafis0
I never had fear of flying, but my ex wife worked for Swissair and she was on service on a different plane when the Swissair flight crashed near Halifax. I knew she was fine but at the same time i was fucking scared because she was flying in USA too and sometimes the airline can change your working flight plan. I remember i got at least 4 phone calls in the middle of the night from our friends and my parents asking me if she was ok, and me shitting in my pants every time the phone rang thinking that the next call was from Swissair ... The next morning when she called me saying she was fine i could not stop to relax because i was always thinking to the real husbands and wives who lost their beloved one that day. It was a fucking horrible moment ... and every time i fly my mind goes always back at that day.
- pango0
just had 6 flight in the last 7 or 8 days. fear of flying isn't an issue any more when you had to get where your going. and once your on the plane, your life is on the hands of the pilot. not much you can do but give in and try to get as much sleep as possible (if no crying baby on board...). with that said I do fly pretty often (used to at least).
some time in a split second during the turbulence, I do imagine the plane snap in half and explod. but nop, still alife! :)I used to hang out with with the flight attendants on the plane when i was a kid cuz I couldn't sleep. one of them even gave me her number hehe... but I lost it... o well I was jail bait anyway.
- OBBTKN0
My weirdest flying experience was when, 10 years a go, flying from Cancun to La Habana; we landed in Habana airport and listened the mechanic telling to the ground personell we´ve been flying with one engine less... good luck we´re flying on a TU-154 (powered with 3 engines ;))
- rootlock0
Actually if you look at per km travelled planes are not as safe as they try to portray. Commuter planes you have a better chance of dieing than a car accident.
- CygnusZero40
I always think about that pilot on NY from a few years back that sensed a problem, told the manual to go suck a dick and landed that thing in the Hudson River saving everyone on board. Thats what real pilots do, not trained robots who just look at manuals. He said himself if he followed protocol he would be dead.
- CygnusZero40
Sorry I get very bitter about this because I knew him, his wife and his daughter. These idiots had enough time to get that thing down. While a fire was brewing they spent time reading manuals and going out of their way to dump fuel.
Before that they were 30 miles from Halifax. Who the fuck smells smoke and then starts reading a manual??? They pilots are robots and need to follow instinct more. Many flights have crashed because these people just follow instructions instead of following common sense. Smell smoke, land anywhere you can immediately.
- Jacque0
Alright. We get it. Pilots on Swiss Air 111 fucked up and people died, including an acquaintance of yours. Boogymen wires cause planes to blow up and you saw a documentary on it. Doesn't change the fact that you're well over 100* times more likely to die (diver or occupant) in a car than in a plane.
* source: http://www.nsc.org/NSC%20Picture…
- CygnusZero40
" Loew informed ATC Halifax that he needed to dump fuel, which ATC Halifax controllers would say later was a surprise considering that the request came so late"
Derp. Nice decision.
- CygnusZero40
"Zimmermann put Loew in charge of the descent while he personally ran through the two Swissair standard checklists for smoke in the cockpit, a process that would take approximately 20 minutes and become a later source of controversy"
Following a manual when you know there is a fire. That's not how you save lives. You take control and get that thing down on the ground. He read a line in there that said he should dump fuel so they spent time getting back out over the ocean. That's smart.
- CygnusZero40
The whole thing with SwissAir111 is those guys smelled smoke in the cockpit. Well where theres smoke there is a fire, a fire that isnt going to put itself out.
At that point worrying about things like dumping fuel to make decending and landing easier seems like its wasting valuable time, which is exactly what it did. Its not officially listed as pilot error but ive seen enough from documentaries and reports from other pilots that said they should have taken it down immediately.
Nope, these guys were trying to figure out what airport to go to, worried about dumping fuel and all that did was close the gap til when the fire was able to cut of critical systems. They followed a manual and not common sense.
- sothere0
I'm the same. I loved flying but after a scary experience I started to worry when things shook round a bit. However I realised that when I ride the bus I dont worry that it bumps about, so why worry in the air. So when the turbulence starts i remember the bus and I dont worry. Get yourself a mental switch like that and fly worry free.
- CygnusZero40
It's amazing how many flights go down that had legit technical problems, but could have been avoided if not for pilot error.
That SwissAir111 flight my buddy Rich died on could have actually been avoided. The pilots smelled smoke in the cockpit which spread to the cabin. They had a bit of time after that. Well after that they decided to waste time flying over the ocean to dump fuel, trying to figure out which airport to go to, when they really should have just landed the fucking thing immediately and could have avoided it, possibly anyway.
Once they wasted too much time the fire started killing the planes systems and boom, nose down straight into the ocean. So many examples of this where a plane has a real problem but they still have time to just get down to the damn ground, but they waste time trying to figure shit out.
- Swiss Air 111 dumped fuel because they couldn't land with a full tank of fuel. Too heavy.Jacque
- If you're faced with a dire emergency you'll figure out how to get it on the ground, not worry about protocol.CygnusZero4
- Trust me ive read a lot about this. You can land heavy, its just not normally advised in normal circumstances.CygnusZero4
- You smell smoke in the cockpit, that isnt a normal circumstance and protocol goes out the window.CygnusZero4
- Problem was these guys relied on the books when they should have landed and wasted too much time.CygnusZero4
- Trying to land heavy is tougher on pilots. Id rather deal with that than a fire.CygnusZero4
- I know about the emergency protocol, shit, I've got a copy of the Federal Aviation Regulations sitting no more than 10 feet away.Jacque
- ... than 10 feet from me. Required reading if you want a pilots license.Jacque
- Plus, crash landing with full fuel + plane on fire = worst case scenario.Jacque
- I didnt say crash landing. They had quite a bit of time from first smelling smoke in the cockpit.CygnusZero4
- They reviewed this on discovery. They really should have made an emergency landing much quicker.CygnusZero4
- Instead they were worried about what the manual said they should do for normal landings.CygnusZero4
- boobs0
I don't really like flying, but it's more the whole unpleasant mood of the thing. The airline people are always in such shitty moods, and the other passengers are usually nasty as fuck. And getting constantly lectured about "rules" by overhead disembodied voices is a drag.
But I'd give anything to be going somewhere else about now.
- sea_sea0
yeah turbulence makes me nervous as well. i try to book seats as close to the front as possible. at least in my own experience, it seems like a smoother flight. i also catch myself looking over to the stewardess for reactions. lol.
- slappy0
I usually pay the extra for the end row seats with the extra leg room. If the plane crashes its would be my job to open the door and throw the 15kg inflatable ramp out.
Bonus is you get to sit opposite a hostess and you can tell from their eyes if you are going to crash, if you do crash you're the first one out (if you have arms).
- this is double true if the hostess is a twinkieprophetone
- lol if you have armsCygnusZero4
- prophetone0
i remember flying into vegas once, simple daytime flight, and i was snoozing as it was approaching the landing, i guess the plane hit the runway really hard like as if there was another 10ft left to drop, but there wasn't, major cross winds i guess, i bounced awake and looked around like wtf and everyone was freaking and the woman beside me was crying. the next few days were horrible as i was murdered by the slots. the end.
- woodyBatts0
I take adivan. Go to your doctor tell them your feelings.
1 pill makes me feel as cool as Miles Davis.
- intake 3 adivans and then i actually become miles davisprophetone
- lol @ commentMrT
- lolwoodyBatts
- CygnusZero40
So many passenger planes have been brought down by wires they just cant easily inspect, I guess ValueJet being one of the most famous.
I think the most horrifying one was TWA800. The cockpit exploded off that fucking thing, then the plane kept rising with many of the people still alive with just a giant hole in front of them. That must have sucked.
- twa800 was hit by a missileebertzjaw
- Hehe TWA800 has nothing to do with wires. It was a fuel reserve or something.CygnusZero4
