Sagmeister Walsh
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- omahadesigns1
This modern influencer / Instagram world is so weird.
Remember when only losers went in chat rooms and went on online dating sites?
Now it’s business for everyone to take photos of themselves and use hashtags so strangers find your photos and “like” them and become fans.
- omahadesigns2
- LOL very good!renderedred
- Also stock image bag.omahadesigns
- Seriously?Maaku
- That's hilarious.zarkonite
- fate10
monNom and you’re right, it’s not even that new of an idea.
Male business leaders, athletes, artists have talked themselves up and done wild self promotion for decades.
A woman does it and some of you lose your fucking minds and sense of perspective.
I think some of you also hate the fact that you don’t know how to play the game, you don’t know how to self promote. Or worse, you’re not willing and too scared to go out on a limb and make a name for yourself.
Feel free to call her work boring, criticize what she’s creating, have at it. In this same thread I called her early work “art school schlock” many years ago.
But get the fuck out of here commenting on her face, tits, cooch, sex life, calling her a narcissist, saying she didn’t earn it, and generally being jealous littler toads. Some of you sound pathetic.
- Agreed.
The wordmark still sucks, though. :\
(In my opinion)Continuity - Continuity I agree. I thought the faux 3D effect on the mark was pretty lame. The actual 3D versions are pretty fun though.fate
- Don't be a fuckwit. We all made the call about Sagmeister when he flashed his cock. Don't be a dickwad.BusterBoy
- Yeah and you all sounded like fucking creeps back then too. "I know if he is banging that girl it feels 20-30x better than with a circumcised penis." -74LEOfate
- So much so that Creative Review called out QBN for being misogynist and jealous. Not a good look.fate
- So why the fuck are you still here?BusterBoy
- Occasionally you need adult supervision.fate
- haha fateNairn
- LOL @fate supervise away :)renderedred
- Buddy, we put the men down too when theyre up their own asscannonball1978
- I get where you're coming from cannonball1978, but she's not up her own ass. She's just making a name for herself and her studio.fate
- Well, she was just handed the keys to the yard. How the agency image matures will determine that, imho.cannonball1978
- Seriously...BusterBoy
- Seems like there's a lot of supposition and presumption in this thread, alongside the cringeworthy adolescent sexism.Nairn
- yeah it's the sexism thinly (and unconvincingly) veiled as "critique" that makes so many of the comments in this thread fucking cringeworthy.ben_
- What's their to critique? Hot girl, poses naked and endless new pics. Simple formula, been working since before I was born.formed
- *there...formed
- The work speaks for itself...it blows ass.utopian
- Thanks for proving me wrong, formed.ben_
- @fate, excellent!noneck
- @fate, totally agree!valentim
- Agreed.
- _niko4
this is great, we haven't had a good Brett Bashing in a while!
- NBQ00-4
This is a discussion forum/ site. Why aren't we allowed to give our opinion? Do we all have to be ass kissers?
No I'm not bitter, nor jealous nor a woman hater. I actually love to see women be successful and even more so than men in any industry.
But usually I don't give a fuck about genders. It's about the person.
What bothers me about Jessica Walsh is not only her misleading claims that she founded the agency all by herself (she inherited it mostly via a legendary designer that she got associated with and where all her fame started from) but also that she uses her looks and very self-absorbed, narcissistic self-promo. If she's successful with it so be it. But we can still criticise her antics.
There are far more talented women out there that rarely get talked about but the loudest people get the spotlight.
- So can you start talking about those talented women who deserves spot light and stop giving &W spot light?pango
- fan of Yah Leng Yu and her studio:
http://foreignpolicy…dyspl - One or two posts seems like fair criticism. Several pages of comments, including repeatedly about her looks does come off as a bit obsessive, un4chanately.yuekit
- Also when I look at their site it comes across as heavily ironic. Like she is poking fun at how narcissistic society is. Did you miss that part?yuekit
- Where do you get that "ironic" impression? And I didn't want to post anymore but only because of fate and accusations of hating women.NBQ00
- bahaha #un4chanatelyshellie
- The whole site comes across as incredibly tongue in cheek. I mean they are selling their trash for $200 lol. Even the one everyone here criticized whereyuekit
- she is standing in front of a ridiculous stock image-looking 3D render background seems more like a parody than anything else.yuekit
- I'm not saying it's the greatest thing in the world, but if you really completely missed that aspect of it maybe you shouldn't be the one criticizing :)yuekit
- What does occasional jokes and fun work examples have to do with her constantly using her persona and looks for self-promo?NBQ00
- You asked where is the irony -- it seems kind of obvious there is a strong element of irony and self-parody in the entire brand and site.yuekit
- Including the constant use of her own image. That doesn't make it beyond criticism, but I find it weird that this needs to be pointed out to people who work inyuekit
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- ^ lol. Good timing.yuekit
- lollll that timing.inteliboy
- LOL @timingrenderedred
- the incels branch of QBN is out of controlernexbcn
- Careful, it takes talent to get and stay in the "spotlight." That in itself is a highly competitive skill. Good technique but being a recluse is not all talent.BustySaintClaire
- ben_4
Personally I'm glad you did, i_monk.
It's funny, there's this real sense that some of you feel like she's undeserving of where she is today, as if she stole something from Stefan.
Your only rationale is that she's a woman and uses her image to get where she is. There's been literally zero consideration for her success outside of that lane and that any legitimate success is due solely to Sagmeister's legacy, some of you even going so far as to act like you have some insider knowledge into the situation.
It's kinda sad to see it, though it makes sense who the bs is coming from. Fuck it, I miss newstoday.
- I wish her all the success possible. The whole discussion was based on her self-absorbed, narcissistic endless self-promi antics.NBQ00
- I must confess, I'm somewhat of a slut. I'm approaching having sex with the 100th woman in my life so far. Luckily no STD's, I was mostly careful.Fax_Benson
- NBQ, yeah it's clear that's what you made it about, but the conversation wasn't started that way.ben_
- fate3
Deathboy, exactly.
Anyone that owns their own studio or agency knows they have to be their own best salesperson. Especially if your name is on the door.
Their is no humility or being humble. Their is no “letting the work speak for itself” because clients often can’t differentiate.
A client wants a relationship and to trust that they chose the right firm. The V.P. of Sales or the CMO wants to convince the CEO and CFO that they made the right decision hiring &Walsh and to trust them. Partially that trust is built from the logical side (ROI, KPIs, SOQs, responding to RFPs, pricing) but it’s also largely emotional.
Every good salesperson knows that. Many of you don’t, because you’ve never been in that position and haven’t had that responsibility to work at that level.
- i can respect a great used car salesmen. it doesn't mean I buy what they're selling. but don't underestimate people with humility or humbleness non trenddeathboy
- chasers. she can "instagram influencer" fakeness all she wants to pay the mortgage better than others, but at the end of the day it fakedeathboy
- again i don't know who was keeping their lights on since I didn't see much paid work. and i think the hype caught up. curious if lack of funds is the causedeathboy
- for the rebrand. typical when shit declines. what point is leaving when things are successful?deathboy
- terrible derivative brand style but great case study and fluff to clearly drive this interest and concerndeathboy
- All design is fake. We are creating and shaping perceptions. The only requirements in life are to shit and die, the rest is optional.fate
- i do say its weird you agreeing. i disrespect todays "game" full heartedly for said reasons, but you are happy i agree at the success of it.deathboy
- There is no such thing as “fake design” or “real design”, we are all a bunch of con artists. Some of us are just more honest with ourselves.fate
- maybe im old and disregard todays "metrics" and hotness. one thing i know is fundamentals will outlast trendsdeathboy
- If lack of funds is the cause then it would be rather expensive to do such an extensive rebrand and pay rent in NY as well as get all the 20+ employees over.NBQ00
- But yes I don't see really quality clients either with all that hype.NBQ00
- i always ask new clients on brand wether you expect the brand to drive sales or actual performance. some prefer brandingdeathboy
- and i find those clients I dont stick with long time, but those that more communicating their sell points stick with medeathboy
- its just a different set of values and gambling on what sells and resonates.deathboy
- i typed that with no refresh...deathboy
- Dude, quit adding notes and just make a new post like a normal person. 10 notes??fate
- design isnt fake. its arbitrary. eye of beholder. and design i think is more specific to utility than art.deathboy
- i can tell you the design of opera mail vs thunderbird is not fake. for my purposes opera design works. that isnt the same for othersdeathboy
- but fake is not a good word for us english language description. nbq00 never underestimate loansdeathboy
- hell companies have gotten 12 billion without showing profit. just wondering if it was money giving why change it?deathboy
- i like notesdeathboy
- she is a really good used cars saleswomanutopian
- i_monk0
I regret posting the update, though it would have popped up here soon enough.
- sted4
- that can apply to many spheres of the current society. The Internet revolution is starting to shows its results.Bennn
- benn, you're such a bore
great post stedimbecile - i dont know what 'bore' meansBennn
- Yep, it occurs to me that the industry delivers what the marketplace wants every time.ben_
- The post is great, but qualifies "modernism" as the be-all end all of design, which it's simply not.ben_
- or that craft needs to be regarded as the highest rung on the communication design ladder.ben_
- It's just such a black and white view, as if anyone who doesn't cut type themselves is automatically a hack.ben_
- No "modernism" isn't the end of the road, and it can't be by definition. This idea is about its transformation into something self centered without merit.sted
- design should communicate purpose, not promote the designerimbecile
- This is the designer delivering what they want to be not what the industry wants them to becannonball1978
- it's an opinion more than it is an idea. It's not substantiated by anything. The industry has moved the way it has because it takes more than aben_
- single colour logo to move a brand forward these days. Comparing Vignelli to Sagmeister is comically under-thought.ben_
- monNom0
I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that she's probably on to something, the way the industry is moving.
"Influencers" really do seem to be the hot ticket for brands these days. I was just at an event where 2000+ people paid a not small admission to meet a pretty niche youtube personality. I don't GET it. But they're trading money to be in this person's club IRL. It's a phenomenon for certain, even if it doesn't make sense to me. This person has a team of ~30 behind them just to produce enough content to feed the beast. In fact most youtubers of note have multiple people working for them. Basically a design studio to handle their content production.
So, if she's trying to become the "design influencer" so that brands will come to work with her for her audience, rather than just her design talents, then all this imagery can basically act like clickbaity thumbnails, which follow a pretty predictable format: show the star in every post. Bright colours to grab attention. Emotive facial expressions. When all else fails: mild nudity.
Warhol had the whole celebrity to sell art thing worked out. Maybe this is just the next iteration of that strategy. And maybe it seems a bit clumsy as a stodgy ad agency pitch, but from the perspective of a media personality, I'm not sure if there's a whole lot of competition to be the loud proud and truly outrageous voice of design for the female millenial set.
Kudos to her for thinking outside the box.
- It's a great business model. If they experience a bit of a downturn, she can just flash her cooch and voila...BusterBoy
- lolNBQ00
- kinda 5 year late for that
it looks like the juvenile overdone version of it what doesn't creates anything original just the hdr versions of the mad man era adssted - *mad men :)sted
- fate0
NBQ00 before being called out:
• "I'd love to bang the chick on the very left."
• "A sex tape next?"
• "If she was ugly I doubt she'd be so popular. Sorry if it sounds sexist but it's not meant to be. Just how our (sad) world works."
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NBQ00 after being called out:
• "But usually I don't give a fuck about genders. It's about the person. There are far more talented women out there that rarely get talked about but the loudest people get the spotlight."
______________________WOW YOU ARE SO REASONABLE AND CLEARLY INVESTED IN RESPECT AND EQUALITY.
Or maybe you're just a creep and can't admit it.
- Are you new here or just generally don't understand sarcasm and snarky comments?NBQ00
- But that part about "If she was ugly..." is not untrue.NBQ00
- Even in 2019, if you think an ugly woman is gonna read the news, present on TV or be a hit on Youtube you deeeaaaddd wrong!Hayzilla
- my questine at this point is, how would she do in the COTD thread? ;)renderedred
- I really CGAF whether she’s hot or otherwise. Their previous incarnation drew publicity with gratuitous nudity.BusterBoy
- This incarnation doesn’t appear to be much different. Male. Female. Hot. Not hot. I really couldn’t give a stuff.BusterBoy
- If this is how you need to promote your company and yourself, it reduces it to the most banal common garbage that I despise.BusterBoy
- And I’ll have a browse of the COTD thread...but not many of those chicks are promoting a design company.BusterBoy
- fate1
I think my favorite part of the thread is how some (cannonball1978, robotron3k, NBQ00) keep calling her narcissistic and ragging on her for self promotion.
...when what you really mean to say is that you're mediocre designers that never learned to play the game, and it makes you bitter.
Her name is on the fucking door you little losers. Of course she is going to promote herself.
Legit it's like whining about how narcissistic and what a showboat that Colonol Sanders is and posting long diatribes about how "the chicken should speak for itself"
- you have no idea how and why
somebodies name gets to the wall.sted - and that's the main problem that instead of showing off, work, expertise, and experience she can only promote herself :(sted
- and there is a complete team behind this name not just one person, and yet they still can't produce quality, original materials whatever the context is.sted
- just sit up on the current hype, subordinate everything to the current trends and build a mediocre self brand.sted
- Um nope. I'm not a mediocre designer. My opinions are valid. She can do whatever she likes even if its tasteless self serving narcissism, and I can point it outcannonball1978
- I'm sorry Amman, you're right. You're not even mediocre. You're below-average.fate
- Using my name isn’t gonna change me thinking it’s all narcissistic. You’ll just have to cope somehow.cannonball1978
- you have no idea how and why
- fate8
This thread makes it easy to believe QBN is home to some real woman hating incels...
- you guys keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
and... timelineimbecile - No shit fate. This thread is sad is a very sad way.wagshaft
- fate you're standing up for a 32 year old narcissist female?? That's quite sexiest of you...robotron3k
- Ask yourself:
When is the behavior of a female business leader deserving of ridicule?
Is it never?cannonball1978 - Why is that some of you are trying to move this conversation into this direction so hard? Can you contribute without trying to focus on this?sted
- Savior Compleximbecile
- Why do we have to “contribute without focusing on it” when its largely the primary focus of what &Lookatme is communicating?cannonball1978
- Criticising a self centered narcissist female in the design industry = incel. Ok then.NBQ00
- No no I'm fine with that. But over doing it to a point that you seem really passionate about it. We get it, you think she is a narcissist. No need to repeat.pango
- @fate agreedernexbcn
- you guys keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
- fate0
Just to be clear BusterBoy - that kind of shit gets your ass fired and blacklisted in the real world.
What made you think QBN was your safe space to act like this? You all been left to your own devices too long without any adult supervision?
- fate1
monNom couldn’t agree more.
And then you have BusterBoy commenting about how one of the leading female designers in our industry should “just flash her cooch” to drum up business.
Sure seems like half of you are incels or extremely insecure boys.
- fate1
sted, did you really make this? Did you really write the words "damage the brand" like a total simpleton?
- read this in the voice of Stefan.sted
- https://www.behance.…
This is your work?fate - You need to read it in a redneck voice, I'm Midwest white trash.fate
- hoolyshit this gets older every day lol I need to update with some new stuff.
yes, that's what you can access now,
keep in mind that this is from 1998 to 2010.sted - ballsy mate. if its your actual work to show it.deathboy
- ideaist1
Agency as brand seems to be the name of the game these days; each more unique than the last!
I have old colleagues who do it quite nicely: https://lindaandlindastore.ca/
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- fate1
Another dispatch from the mind of sted?
- you already got burned in your last post, why you need an other one?sted
- Why would you ever use Scala Sans? Especially in a thread about an elite designer?fate
- maybe I was working with that font and this shit isn't worth the hassle to change it?
I know it's hard to imagine while you're trying to sell domains.sted - You need to delete that font.fate
- "A freestanding Colonel may be used in 1-colour without the KFC Lettertype."
2.12 SECTION 2
KFC Brand Identity Standards Manual: 2006sted - Have you really never seen this ad before? Do you pay attention to this industry at all? You really don't get it?fate
- Look, it pains me to type this...
The logo is rearranged as "FCK" instead of "KFC"
Do you see it now?fate - Just google "fck ad", you are seriously in need of catching up with the rest of the industryfate
- LOL you're dumb af or actually drunk. how the hell did you come to this conclusion? you need to get away from the keyboard seriously.sted
- You took the time to search out the KFC brand standards manual and quote it, because you completely missed the point.fate
- And apparently you have never seen an ad that takes liberties with an established brand and was widely praised in both the industry and traditional press for itfate
- I know this section from the brand book because, I looked it up at the time when that ad arrived. you are dumb.sted
- Sted it's ok if you don't get it.fate
- popcorn gifdeathboy