Trayvon Martin
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- ETM0
..."they just said there is no evidence in existence who started the fight..."
A man (regular citizen) leaves a vehicle (against Police request), takes his gun from his glovebox, approaches an unknown male and demands to know what he's doing in the community.
So when you leave a vehicle with a gun to confront a suspicious person you have no idea that things could go wrong?? Approaching a person while carrying or concealing a weapon is not confrontational? Please.
It's already been said he was not even an official part of the official Neighborhood Watch program, he just started his own in the community (and I am sure he did great things). But he is unclear on what the word 'watch' means and that the actual organization's philosophy is never to interfere.
Now, I would consider him leaving the vehicle with a weapon a proper action if someone's life was at risk (i.e. Trayvon was attacking a person, raping a woman etc.) but all he had was someone looking suspicious. Even if Trayvon was witnessed stealing, it was only property and no life was ever in danger until Zimmerman interfered.
Zimmerman created the situation that put his own life at risk and created the situation that forced him to kill a person.
Plenty of culpability there and deserves to be punished.
Do we know how well trained Zimmerman was with a gun, or how he reacts under pressure with it. What is he fired and missed and killed an innocent person, a kid, someone in their living room? There is SO much wrong with the events he chose to initiate on his own.
- CygnusZero40
- they offered me this freelance gig. thank god i didnt take itCALLES
- I dunno what kinda fall produces trails like that. looks shopped. That should have been HI RES...
sherm - Why can't this be seen on the police station tape? Would paramedics usually clean you up that well?ETM
- For a head wound, this isn't alot of blood.goldieboy
- DrBombay0
What jurisdiction/right did Zimmerman have starting shit with Martin anyway? If you start shit with someone on the street and they kick your ass can you claim self defense after shooting them? I guess probably in the fucked up state of Florida.
- CygnusZero40
Yep they just said there is no evidence in existence who started the fight, so how can you put a guy away for life if you dont know for sure he wasnt acting out of self defense?
- That's why they started at 2nd degree murder so that he can plea down to manslaughterlocustsloth
- not that he will, but i bet that's what they were hopinglocustsloth
- CygnusZero40
I think he'll be safe. He's allowed to leave the state, not the country, will have GPS tracking, has to check in every 3 days and obviously will not be going out in public, so who's going to know where he is outside of his lawyer, maybe his wife and the police department?
- CALLES0
if i were him i would feel safer in jail
- CALLES0
BREAKING: Judge sets George Zimmerman's bail at $150,000
- is this a lot?teh
- He isn't working, so yeah, it's kind of a lot. Defense was asking for 15, state was asking for a million.CygnusZero4
- 15k i meant is what the defense wanted.CygnusZero4
- sothere0
but isn't Zimmerman a black guy? he looks it from NZ.
This guy was gun happy, gung-ho, doofus and was one of those that reminded the teacher she hadn't checked the homework. Burn!
- ohhhhhsnap0
- this is what's up.
- Wow. The comments are disheartening and bordering on scary.monkeyshine
- She sounds defiant playing over dubstepalbums
- haven't seen the comments... maybe i should stay away.ohhhhhsnap
- monkeyshine, just took a look at some of those comments. sounds like America to me.ohhhhhsnap
- ohhhhsnap...is that supposed to be comforting? :)monkeyshine
- no... it's actually so sad. it's that deep seated hate too that comes out on the web.ohhhhhsnap
- CALLES0
what i do know is that this guy is going to have a really REALLY had time in jail... i mean kinda everyone does. but lts just say this guy is getting special treatment and i dont mean sexually
- BonSeff0
i really don't care what the fam or anyone else has to say. I just want to hear testimony and facts of the case. Hopefully they get it right.
- dbloc0
Trayvon Martin's mother Sybrina Fulton said she believed the shooting was an accident and things got out of control.
she later clarified the statement:
"Their meeting was the accident," Fulton said. "That was the accident. Not the actual act of him shooting him. That was murder ... They were never supposed to meet."
- youngdesigner0
Zimmerman charged with murder
- Ramanisky20
Guilty or Innocent .. Zimmerman is FUCKED for the rest of his life
- yuplocustsloth
- yayyyeighteen
- possibly needs a name change.pango
- monkeyshine0
from dictionary.com...malice: desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy.
- monkeyshine0
From Huffpo: "The murder charge indicates prosecutors plan to prove Zimmerman shot Martin with malice, though without premeditation. A manslaughter charge would have required prosecutors to prove only that Zimmerman acted unlawfully and with criminal negligence in shooting the teen."
I question whether they can prove malice, given what we've seen so far. Why didn't they just go for manslaughter and be done with it?
- malice will hinge on "coons" and the fact he went after him after the cops said not to.colin_s
- I'm not sure being racist equals malice in this case. He overreacted. Race was involved. Malice? I don't see it.monkeyshine