Prometheus
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- monospaced0
I see what you mean. We're on the same page: bad excuses.
- Horp0
"I disagree that it could "not have been any other way". I think this could have had a great story".
Don't get me wrong Mono... I agree that its feasible that it could have been a great story. What I meant though was that in these circumstances... an aging big-name producer/director with a large portfolio of fairly soft blockbusters, back to reclaim the franchise that he kicked off with his original movie... he has to reclaim the high line, best the other efforts and return Alien to glory... but also, be original, don't make a remake, make a new, genre defying epic like the first one was... but the money, the studio, they get nervous - stats and market research suggest certain things need to be in place to attract large enough audiences, they start to push for more connection, plot changes, echoes of the original.... somehow the tightness of the bolts comes loose, control is lost, multiple people are allowed to hold the steering wheel, it turns into a fucking nightmare, nothing makes sense, time is running out, they have to get this shit finished so they decided to film all sorts of crap and then cook it in the editing suite... which they do, and they convince themselves its okay, it hangs together, its new, and yet it has echoes of familiarity, it exiting, it all seems to work, its fine.... its too late anyway... time to release.
I just think this is the way a lot of films are fucked up these days.
- 'it exiting' means 'its exciting' I cannot fucking type tonight.Horp
- Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of how this probably went down like you described. I just hate the excuse.monospaced
- monospaced0
Ok. We woke him up! Ask him what kind of underwear he wears! No, retard, ask him what kind of batteries his ship uses. Dude, you're idiots, ask him about the... hey, he's looking at us funny. Oh fuck, he killed Kenny! We didn't even find out what kind of $5 sub he likes.
We should have thought about this. We had, like, YEARS of light travel to go over it. Next time.
- I think the robot knew something. You idiots didn't ask him? I thought you asked him. That's why I didn't ask.monospaced
- Shut the fuck up. I asked him and he just made the jerk off hand movement and walked away. That robot's an asshole.monospaced
- Yeah, I heard he watches our dreams. Anyway. Let's get high in our space suits. Bro.monospaced
- monospaced0
Charlize Theron: We're not here to talk to the creators, we're not stupid little archaeologist hippy scum. You've got to be idiots to think we'd find our 'makers' or that you'd talk to them. We have a top secret agenda that's way more important and we brought you along because we can make fun that you believe this.
Scientists: So, fine, we believe. What's your agenda then?
Charlize Theron: We want to talk to them.
- ukit20
Prometheus, it's a metaphor for modern capitalism. The advertising is great, the product is shit
- monospaced0
I haven't read this whole thread, but is the black goo just like, what, alien sperma, the spark of alien life and destruction? Does it simultaneously kill us? Why does that one guy drink it in the beginning and why does the cyborg poison that dude with it? How come everyone touched it when they said, don't touch it? You don't do that shit without a good reason, at least something the audience can sort of understand. Give us something to grasp here.
- monospaced0
I'm still trying to put this in perspective. The other Alien movies had plots that made sense, mostly because they were simple. I'm not saying that complicated is bad, but these guys made it complex for no reason whatsoever. With they would have just given us some understanding. The story here indicated that they would at some point talk to the creator, and they spend all this time and energy to this end, and at the last minute they clamor for the opportunity and it's awesome and then ... they argue about what to ask, the cyborg stares at it like a moron, and then it punches them in the face and takes off. I'm sitting there going, ok, maybe they'll explain something, but then I realize the chick is off to find answers and the screen goes black. I'm left here saying, what the fuck?
- I think they just rewrote the script so many times they forgot they had to make it make senseukit2
- Clearly.monospaced
- prophetone0
so we're all in agreement then. prometheus, best movie ever.
- if they do a prequel to prometheus i would see it because the engineers are interestingteh
- Horp0
We should put this into perspective. We felt let down by this film but really when you look at the entire Lien series... the first one was memorable (and good, really fucking good) because it did something original: it took the horror genre into space. The second movie was a rollicking good action movie and most people enjoyed it, but it wasn't an conic piece of cinema. The third movie, well I enjoyed it to be honest, but most thought it sucked. Alien 4 was utter cacka, and then there's the Alien vs Predator shite.
So really we're expressing our disappointment in the latest installment of a set of films that really only has one, aging, gem in it, and if we were to be really really REALLY honest about it... that first film wasn't exactly perfect either.
I thought Prometheus was utter shit and I was bitterly disappointed, but at this point now I think its merely a film that reflects the state of cinematic movie making now and it could probably not have been any other way... much the same as the original Alien was a film that perfectly reflected the state of cinematic movie making back then and would not have been any other way either.
- Alien, not Lien.Horp
- I disagree that it could "not have been any other way". I think this could have had a great story.monospaced
- ukit20
What was disappointing about this movie was that most of us probably could have written a better script. All the millions spent on special effects and film technique and they can't be bothered to come up with a story that makes sense.
- mg330
I keep thinking often that I was this movie had been better. It was visually wonderful, and I want to buy the BluRay for that reason, but the story could have been so much better. I wish there were a director's cut that had an extra hour of the movie or something.
- monospaced0
The story didn't follow through on its own promises. Interstellar flight and routine planetary terraforming ... in 75 years from now. I was already scoffing. The characters were acting entirely irrationally the whole time, which is unbelievable for a space crew, so I knew the film wasn't taking itself seriously anymore. It felt rushed and promise after promise of great plot-lines that never developed or concluded. The only real theme was stupid dumb faith which held strong until its grand finale in the final scene. Yes, it was beautiful, yes the sci-fi concepts employed are epic in scale, but this scratched the surface but never got to the meat. It was frustrating, to say the least.
- ernexbcn0
Ok, has any porn been released involving Engineers?
- identity0
^ fleetwood mac, metallica, rolling stones, paul mccartney, etc.
- identity0
I liked it. A lot. Here's why:
I feel like it was better than 95% of the other drivel coming out that calls itself scifi-action. It had a lot to live up to (arguably, it was going to be panned from the beginning, since it could NEVER best the nostalgic feeling we have for the Alien franchise.) Its like a great band from your childhood releasing a new album - except they're now 60 and trying to hold onto that edge they had when they made their seminal album in their early 20's.
plot-holes, mediocre acting, recycled archetypes.
Meh - it was beautifully shot and a visual step forward for most movies that have come out over the past few years.End rant.
- monospaced0
Saw it last night for the first time. Frustrating, to say the least.