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This David Prova's dude's answer make me see fucking red ...
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This from the article's comments:
--------------------------------...Jay Larson Today 08:23 AM
This kind of sham is what devalues design and give clients crappy work that usually doesn't have the necessary research behind the work that's needed. Crowd sourcing and spec work will never have the acceptance of the design community.4 people liked this.
David Prova 1 minute ago in reply to Jay Larson
Hey Jay,I'm sorry you see crowdsourcing as devaluing design. Prova's "pay for skill" concept is actually developed to increase the value of design. Rather than a typical freelance site which is lowering the value of design work with overseas workers reproducing cookie-cutter logos for $50, Prova was developed to increase the quality of available ad designs. Prova's target market is the business owner that understands a quality advertisement will attract more customers than a cheaply made design.
Prova's unique angle teaches our designers the "science" behind effective advertising (call to action, USP, effects of graphic placement, ...), so client's don't get an ad that lacks the necessary research.
- _niko0
$250 bucks is great for designers in countries where that is a month's salary.
You'll get what you paid for though, clip art bullshit with your company name on it.
- Projectile0
I recently worked on a site design, where they had crowdsourced the logo. And to be fair, what they got for their money wasn't too bad. Ok I had to basically re-draw it cos it was slapped together, but still.. unfortunately, it is a fairly decent way for a SMALL company to go. To find someone to do it for a hundred bucks is a huge risk as most designers won't give them the option of a quickie.. it's at least grand or nothing.
it's our fault too.. for being overly pushy elitists.. and is a natural reaction.
That being said, he is fucking it up for the rest of us... so let's go fuck him up.
- dirtydesign0
lets all join... every design we make will simply say FUCK YOU PAY ME
- sofakingbanned0
thats all san diego needs. this shit. you guys should see some of the ads for freelancing.
- aanderton0
Isn't this just the same as the old sitepoint contests?
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- cannonball19780
^ this
Stop your whining and get back to being overpaid to mock up banner ads.
- Knuckleberry0
I have come to find out that I may be a little nuts in the head... the first thing I thought was lets kill him.
- dirtydesign0
^ guarantee the 'designers' doing this garbage cannot find a job in the field..
- bigtrick0
dude, if these guys can make a business out of it, it's the fault of the designers who enter these contests.
the problem is with gullible designers. not the businessmen who take advantage of them.
- +1 - yup yupAa77
- most "designers" entering these types of contest are not real designers to begin with...sofakingbanned
- dirtydesign0
we need a goddamn union... designers and artists need to be licensed
- Fuck yeah!!OSFA
- i totally agree. i was just having a conversation about that. right now we just get rapedsofakingbanned
- Not_Just_Another0
see...
http://www.myhammer.co.uk/Similar idea, but instead of the builders DOING the work beforehand, they supply quotes only.
As I say, as an industry we get thoroughly screwed over.
- OSFA0
What's fucked up is that websites actually publish these bullshit companies. Who the fuck is the editor responsible for approving this crap???
We should create doctors, lawyers, journalists, engineers crowdsource sites every time one of these goes up! Just to level things up y'know...
And send it to all media outlets and see who posts it...
- "You don't pay us until you are 100% recovered and pain free from your sickness!"OSFA
- dirtydesign0
crowdspring does the same shit yeh?
- Not_Just_Another0
I wonder whether he paid 'next-to-nothing' for his Prova site?... I highly doubt he'd risk it...
Its ideas like this that will harm our line of work most. I don't see how our industry is treated differently and valued so poorly compared to most others...
- ukit0
I like this idea, applied to sex
- moniker0
Also, the kinds of companies that use these services aren't exactly going to be paying a designer the kind of prices we demand. So it keeps them out of our hair in a way. Leaving only the clients that know the true value of creating and maintaining a brand.
Let them have their bulk designs it just means their competitors that use a real designer will thrive because their product will stand out from the rest. Assuming the "high priced" designer did what he/she was supposed to do to deserve that kind of money in the first place.