Israel attacks aid ship!
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- inv0
@dps
Nobody doubts that you want peace. Its just that you are trying to acheive it the wrong way. Maybe you should listen to the people who "gave" you this contry in the first place (the UN)
- well, according to the bible it was given to them by God. (I'm not religious, btw, so don't flame me).Amicus
- And all the fairy tales I grew up reading said my dreams would come true. :(Continuity
- Actualy the British left it to them and signed the Palestinians homes away to the Jews.MakeBelieve
- I'm pretty sure the Jews defied a British blockade and went in there regardless.toe_knee
- MakeBelieve0
Before we get swamped by Israeli hasbara let’s reiterate a few simple facts:
* Israeli soldiers invaded these ships in international waters, breaking international law, and, in killing civilians, committed a war crime. The counter-claim by Israeli commanders that their soldiers responded to an imminent “lynch” by civilians should be dismissed with the loud contempt it deserves.
* The Israeli government approved the boarding of these aid ships by an elite unit of commandoes. They were armed with automatic weapons to pacify the civilians onboard, but not with crowd dispersal equipment in case of resistance. Whatever the circumstances of the confrontation, Israel must be held responsible for sending in soldiers and recklessly endangering the lives of all the civilians onboard, including a baby and a Holocaust survivor.
* Israel has no right to control Gaza’s sea as its own territorial waters and to stop aid convoys arriving that way. In doing so, it proves that it is still in belligerent occupation of the enclave and its 1.5 million inhabitants. And if it is occupying Gaza, then under international law Israel is responsible for the welfare of the Strip’s inhabitants. Given that the blockade has put Palestinians there on a starvation diet for the past four years, Israel should long ago have been in the dock for committing a crime against humanity.
- toe_knee0
All I hear from Israelis is excuses. You have a population in decline but still make claims on land that is not yours to begin with. encroiching on an already over populated palistine. You think you'd be a bit more sympathetic given your recent history
- Given their longer history however...Lillebo
- I'd like to know what make Australia a land that is 'yours'. Unless of course you are of Aboriginal decent.added_valium
- This very same story has been unfolding for decades in a part of Serbia known as Kosovo ...Continuity
- I'm Irish so nice try, but again there you are with the excuses instead of debate. A deep rooted sense of guilt I'd saytoe_knee
- I wasn't making an excuse. Was trying to debate, but you are too busy making your pointadded_valium
- no you are just using the 'they do it so why can't we'toe_knee
- "Given their longer history however..." I'm fairly sure my history is just as long as anyone else's.detritus
- *mulls reclaiming Scandinavia, based on 900 year old Nordic genetics*detritus
- spraycan0
they were not oblige to give an assault by night but they did it because they are an offensive country
- __TM0
business as usual
June 1 (Reuters) - Turkey's Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul said on Tuesday a diplomatic crisis with Israel after the Jewish state stormed a Turkish-backed aid convoy will not affect the planned delivery of Israel-made Heron drones to Turkey.
- toe_knee0
- +1added_valium
- Haha, brilliant. You should send this to the IDF =)inv
- makes sense__TM
- totally make sensebenfal99
- haha nicebigtrickagain
- pascii0
ho goddam stupid can a mother be to take her own child, one year old!!!, on such a mission?!
- BULLSHIT,
I wish my parents would have given me the chance to participate in world changing events.
georgesIII - events, what mission is it btw, bringing food to the world biggest open air ghetto?georgesIII
- yes sure, with 1 year. go figure what happens to your health when you're inhaling poisoned gaspascii
- i'd rather make that decision for my self than following my careless motherpascii
- BULLSHIT,
- flashbender0
"BULLSHIT, I wish my parents would have given me the chance to participate in world changing events."
you're not "participating" as a one year old - you are spectating.
- Dunno, I feel pretty blessed that my old man took me to see the first Star Wars, at the cinema, when I was only 1.detritus
- you were only 1 year old in 1977? had you down as much older :-PBluejam
- but did you participate?flashbender
- georgesIII0
the subject isn't even that,
why can't you stay on track for once,the problem is that the IDF attacked an unharmed ship in international water!
you can spin all you want, blame the individuals, the boats, captain, the water flow....
but don't forget that they were sailing to give food and urgent first aid kits to the most empoverished and segregated place on this planet,now you can be hypocrital and look at the finger while most of us point at the moon, its your fuckn choice, but don't try with your fake outrage.
for fucks sakes, this is about right and wrong, stop this bullshit!
- +10000000Continuity
- so why dont you join the struggle?Isnt this like 10th struggle that you are screaming about?JSK
- why don't you stay quiet for once, you don't know me nor my life so its better you stay quiet.georgesIII
- You say the same thing every time. Maybe sometime for enlightenment?JSK
- I don't share my life story on the net, because I don't need some fuckn bullshit net creds, go pose somewhere else.georgesIII
- So maybe you should stop saying 'you don't know me, you don't know what I have been through' yah?JSK
- no maybe I don't need to tell you shit, I don't have a blog/twitter/delicio... etc, why should I open myself to you?georgesIII
- So much anger yet no resolution. Oh well.JSK
- lol, you still haven't contradicted anything I said, you're just trying a tired trolling technic to divert attention, I rest my case.
georgesIII - I am not trying to contradict you. Just tired of you getting angry at something but doing nothing. Except how everyone is wrong.JSK
- byname0
blast from the past, so who is real landowner and who is sociopath/psycho squatter:
http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/…
- digdre0
looks like those activists attacked first.
- But in international waterJSK
- yeah poor idf always getting attacked,
aaaawwwwwgeorgesIII
- byname0
using military helicopters on International waters of course ;)
- lowimpakt0
the age of question,
which came first, the chicken (IDF landing on the boat) or the egg (a beating with poles)?
- inv0
Or maybe you should ask...wha'ts worse...poles or automatic rifles..?
- JSK0
Or maybe you should ask.. . hitting guys with automatic rifles with poles or not hitting guys with automatic rifles?
- flashbender0
I for one am outraged, however, I am going to go on living my life until the media reports on the next outrage inducing story.. then I will be outraged once again.
- So how about them oil spill?JSK
- I've been done being outraged about that for about 4 days now.flashbender
- georgesIII0
the spin meister in full effect,
if someone is trying to board you in international waters and you don't want to let him board,
it's your right,
if someone is trying to board your boat without authorization and you defend yourself with a knife, stick, whatever you want,
it is your right, there's no law agaisn't carrying a gun, knife, etc to defend yourself in international water.
if someone start shooting at you before boarding the boat, that is murder,
here's a video that shows that people were already shot dead before the boarding even started.
piracy is a crime no matter who does it.
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It seems as if:1. Israelis fired on the ship before boarding, thus disproving the Israeli story of self-defense. (first shots heard at 24 seconds, but when the video starts, two people have been shot, and tear gas and stun grenades have been fired. Reporter claims this attack is coming "from all sides.")
2. No weapons are easily visible on the side of the demonstrators, unless there is a pistol in the left hand of the man at 2:43. (opinions? cell phone? walkie-talkie?)
3. White flag confirmed at 3:30. This seems to contradict early accounts that the vessel was flying a white flag when attacked.
4. Shooting continues at least until minute 7.
-- this doesn't prove anything. you can't actually see the start of the attack.Amicus
- byname0
IDF - modern fisherman's with helicopters, speed boats & automatic rifles, just hunting for mythical biblical fish in the name of the god of course.
- TheBlueOne0
Holy shit, I gotta play the lottery today. I find myself agreeing with a Mossad officer, the and the biog cheese Mossad guy at that:
"Mossad Chief Meir Dagan said on Tuesday that Israel is progressively becoming a burden on the United States.
"Israel is gradually turning from an asset to the United States to a burden," said Dagan, speaking before the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/dipl…
You got that right, chief.
Nice to know they decided not to simple "sabotage" the ship (I am assuming that would of taken place in another nation's port..what? Again Israel doesn't give a shit about anyone's sovereign territory but there own?) because that would've possibly created a "humanitarian crisis", better to board it from gunships with automatic weapons. Yup.
Burden is right.
- MakeBelieve0
Remember the "fake" Palestinian celebrations after 9/11 that got cascaded around the world, well there is nothing fake about these Israelis celebrating the attack on the Turkish Aid Ship - infront of Turkish Embassy in Tewwor (Tel) Aviv.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=… NR=1&gl=US