Israel attacks aid ship!
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- lowimpakt0
The IDF spin is fascinating. do they not expect people to resist the IDF aggression?
""Those who met the Israeli army personnel with knifes are not peace advocates, they are not harmless.
"There is a simple military explanation: when these people take a weapon from one of the Israeli soldiers and start shooting, then the Israeli soldiers have the right to defend themselves." "
- TheBlueOne0
Just so I am up to speed on this, the story is that the IDF dropped from helicopter gunships onto unarmed ships on a humanitarian mission in international waters dressed in black, wearing masks, and carrying machine guns, and someone attacked them?
Is that the story?
- utopian0
So what is the IDF's spin on the story today?
- http://www.cnn.com/2…TheBlueOne
- They were beat up with metal sticks. Had no choice but to kill people.TheBlueOne
- You know, self defense and all.TheBlueOne
- tank0
Any Israeli here? Whats their take?
- my take is i am offended that you put all israeli's in the same pot.e-pill
- i know not what happened there and it sounds crazy but to label all is plain wrong.e-pill
- which you did by calling all israeli's nazis.. on page 1..e-pill
- i'm just asking for their opiniion.
And the Israelig gvnmt is acting like the old reich.tank - btw i'm NOT talking about jewish people. I'm talking about Israeli government.tank
- it sounded different tank, im glad you cleared it up as i like you lots..e-pill
- doesnotexist0
it's so far beyond who started what now, how can you tell after generations of revenge and passion?
- drgsss0
throw the jew down the well, so my country can be free
- DPS0
Just came on here for the first time in ages to look for a cool wallpaper and came across this :-) Someone wanted someone from Israel to pipe up so here I am (although not Israeli, I have spent a lot of time here and am now living in Tel Aviv)
Here are some things to read from the Israeli media as to the situation and what happened. I have to say that if you want to make anti-Israeli remarks bordering on anti-semitism as some have on this board then at least have the decency to read about the reality of the situation from both sides.
Jpost has the military footage here: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Arti…
Also here is some background as to why Israel acted in such a way and why only 1 of the 6 ships ended in a violent confrontation: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Arti…
You can read here in Ha'aretz, a left wing Israeli paper, further about the Israeli side of things.
Personally I hate people getting killed. I think it is pointless and stupid and does nothing to advance peace between Israel, the Palestinians and the Arab states. Having read some of the comments here however they verge on real antisemitism and are both vitriolic and miss-informed.
Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorism and to take pre-emptive measures to insure it's civilians safety. The ship was asked to redirect to Ashdod port, it refused and the IDF boarded. This should not be understood as Israeli aggression, it was an essential measure in order to ensure the safety of Israeli citizens. In my experience of Israeli society and soldiers (which is pretty far-ranging) the overwhelming majority do not want to hurt a fly. If a country is being continually attacked (both from armies and the media representation) then it has every right to defend itself.
Hope that gets across the Israeli side a little and I do urge you to think a little deeper on these issues and read more, they are not so clear cut as the media portrays them.
- brainwashedPixter
- he he you idiot.DPS
- Where is the military footage of 19 people beeing slaughtered?inv
- How can a country be 'attacked' by media representatives?toe_knee
- This 'right to defend itself' shit is getting old. What Israel does can rarely be considered self defense. Like a shark defending itself against a goldfish.
madmanGerald
- monkeyshine0
First off, we don't really know what happened yet. It seems like there are people who are critical of Israel who are quick to point fingers and use this incident to further their POV.
It sounds like these ships ignored a directive to go to a port where it could be inspected. If someone tried to attack an Israeli soldier trying to board the ship - it doesn't matter whose weapon is bigger. If you are a peace activist, surely you have been taught not to escalate violence by resisting (armed or not) authority.
- lowimpakt0
Ultimately, the blockade and collective punishment of Gaza must end.
Israel must abide by UN resolution 1860.
The BBC have been highlighting the product being blocked by Israel. These include;
"No petrol or diesel since Nov 2008 (except UN)
Half required cooking gas allowed
Recently blocked items: light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts
Virtually no building materials allowed in"
- tank0
If you look at that list of blocked items, i would also hurl stones at Israeli cops and government and hate them.
- bigtrickagain0
By the way, all your Jews and Israelis, disagreeing with Israel's actions is NOT anti-semitism. I think the current Israeli government is a piece of right-wing neocon shit for doing what it does to Palestine, but that does not mean that I hate Jews. I just wish those Jews living in Israel would wake up and elect some more peaceable folks.
- but there are real examples of antisimetism and they need to be opposed vigorouslylowimpakt
- doh - anti semitismlowimpakt
- hmmm after rereading the thread more thoroughly - yeah i guess so.bigtrickagain
- Yeah, look how peaceful the Palestinians are – Israel should be more like them.technikiller
- hamas is at fault too for rocketing israel. but that is like an ant biting a human for stomping on its anthill.bigtrickagain
- bigtrickagain0
More on the Israeli blockade of Palestine:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl…
"Among the large range of goods currently forbidden are jam, chocolate, wood for furniture, fruit juice, textiles, and plastic toys."
"...some of the prohibitions appear to be absurdly arbitrary: "I certainly don't understand why cinnamon is permitted, but coriander is forbidden. Is there something more dangerous about coriander? Is coriander more critical to Gaza's economy than cinnamon? This is a policy that appears to make no sense."
- omgitsacamera0
To the IDF: How embarrassing.
To everyone: Sharing is caring. Just because you were mercilessly oppressed doesn't give you the right to do the same to others. Have some compassion and some understanding for others ffs.
Obviously the world has to get that straight.
I'm not sorry for putting EVERYONE, all 6+ billion people on the same pot.
- MakeBelieve0
@DPS - what an absolute load of brainwashed hogwash!
Maybe you should take a short visit over to Nablus or Gaza city, and visit the camps there, maybe drink their contaminated (by illegal settler sewage) water, or try and go to work and go through several road checks, be humiliated everyday, restrict your movement, your education, your method of income, you can't go see your own children or mother or get medical care. In fact if you were shot in the leg you would probably be dead at the checkpoint, because you are stopped by the IDF from getting to a hospital.
The Flotilla ship has nothing but aid and westerners on board, a peaceful attempt to bring aid to a much needed ghettoised and oppressed people. I know several people personal, from Britain, charity aid workers, who are injured for one humanitarian cause - to help the people of Palestine.
Palestine is occupied by Israel, a so-called democratic country that violates more UN treaties than any other country in the world. It cares not for its neighbours and receives the highest US Aid than the whole of Africa put together!
Stop living in your bubble and go see how Palestinians are suffering from Israeli aggression across the other side of the separation wall. Take your biased bullshit somewhere else.
Yes Israel has a right to defend itself, but why aren't Palestinians allowed to do the same? Hell, they don't even live like humans any more, because Israel has boxed them into a bantustans.
Before you reply with your biased bullshit, I have been to Palestine several times - seen the conditions Palestinians live in and realised the truth. I ain't Arab or Palestinian, I ain't Jewish or Israeli. Just someone who reads the truth from all angles.
- IDF propaganda machine is a load of utter unintelligent rubbishMakeBelieve
- Which one of the ghettos just built the olympic size swimming pool in Gaza?technikiller
- MakeBelieve0
IDF releases a video about the weapons found on board sling shots, marbles and sticks justifying the murder of 19 people.
- How about releasing the video of the slaughter of 19 people...what fucking propaganda.inv
- Pixter0
The unfounded discrimination prompted by Zionism against the Palestinians can only be compared to Nazism.
- georgesIII0
Put a litte piracy, add murder of foreign citizen with a little pinch of undeclared nukes,
I believe we got a recipe for regime change!
- TheBlueOne0
"... it was an essential measure in order to ensure the safety of Israeli citizens."
Yes, I am sure you are all much safer now that those ships couldn't bring supplies to the Palestinians.
* Zombie George Orwell nods, puffs pipe
- spraycan0
jews are pigs with no pity
- +1drgsss
- -1bigtrickagain
- so we're even.iCanHasQBN
- spraycan and drgsss - you are generalizing. dangerous to color a whole religion with one brushstroke.bigtrickagain
- +1Pixter
- this racist bigotry is pointless and baseless. To stereotype and generalise causes more harm than anything else.Amicus
- pigs have pity?Lillebo
- TheBlueOne0
So the official Israeli line is "Israeli commandoes brutally ambushed while peacefully trying to support peace activists" then?