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- brodster0
hey Steven jobs, move to phoenix I'm all alone, need a developer
- SteveJobs0
^ maybe they wouldn't. again, i'm not propositioning anyone here. i'm merely interested in others opinions on the idea.
though for the record, i have my own successful business (single member), and over 10 years of tech experience, so if i found the *right* person/people, i'm not sure the fact i haven't "freelanced" before wouldn't be of much concern to them.
- JSK0
Publishing a new book?
- SteveJobs0
bump. just a little more than a year later, and i'm still thinking about this.
how's the freelance biz for many of you right now?
- SteveJobs0
exactly, this is more of a try-before-you-buy approach. And because of the lack of formality, a lot of the typical headaches associated with a full-on start-up are averted.
In essense, each person works independently of one another. however they all have a common goal and client and ultimately, if this approach were to work favorably, the pay-off is more substantial for each member (and the group as a whole if you also look at it that way).
- version30
i don't think it's a start up he's after. i think he wants 2 other people to work with. i feel the sentiment. i'm in the same boat. i don't want to grow, i want to be bought.
- vespa0
What you are describing is a start up, isn't it?
If you want to attract talent, you'll need to get interesting work in that pays well. This means you'll need people with connections to pitch for business.
One of the main hurdles in a fast paced, small company, is to get a team of people who gel with each other -- you can have the most talented people in the world but if they can't work with each others' processes you will waste a lot of time and money. A good project manager will also help with this.
It may be an idea to start up with people who've already worked together, who trust each other already and know each others' working quirks.
- AngryMob0
ffs!
- bzsaw0
@version3 Hawaii has been treating me well. I always have my eyes open for new opportunities to work with quality people no matter where they are.
- big-papes0
Why not, I am in. I am not getting any paying work at the moment.
- bzsaw0
I would be very interested in something like this. I've thought about this many times over the years and have worked with many great people and unfortunately a lot of slackers. Finding the good people to work with is the trick.
- SteveJobs0
@Projectile
That's interesting. Generally developers should spend (or have already spent) a good amount of time building reusable libraries to avoid that extra work.
Of course, the exception is whoever's responsible for front-end web dev. I know in certain shops this task could go either way, as a developers responsibility or web designer. These days both rolls cross-pollinate to expand thier marketability. Even I've done my fair share of CSS, HTML, etc., though I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination.
- SteveJobs0
bump
- Projectile0
Some close friends of mine formed a similar partnership for a bit. Fresh outta college, so that'd change things a fair bit.
A problem that arose out of that was that the developers were super busy all the frikkin time, and the designers had finished scanning baking trays and photographing tv screens within a day. So they sat there goofing off while the developers were stressing out to get it done.. but then asked for an equal share.
It was also the developers who got all the clients. They just seem to be more in demand. And have a much bigger role, timewise at least. There were also smaller jobs that came in the just required developers' skills.
So a few years later, a couple of them started a new, similar thing.. but they just shared studio space and did their own thing, but with a serious amount of helping each other out. So collaboration was on a project-by-project basis, and didn't always include everyone.
As long as this is what's expected by/of everyone, it should be cool.
- monNom0
Also, learn to sell for yourself. You're unlikely to find a quality sales person who will work such small volume, Good sales people who 'get it' tend to gravitate toward larger firms where they can maximize their earnings.
- monNom0
Partnership: no
Employees: yesThe point being: You can fire an employee or freelance contractor who is screwing up or misrepresented their skills and abilities to you. Try that in a partnership and you're in for a long protracted parting of ways.