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- BonSeff0
When do we get to start killing old people?
- Can we shoot them from helicopters with high powered assault rifles?TheBlueOne
- fun!Gucci
- old people are slow, it's more fun if they could run fast.JonnyPompa
- MrDinky0
Right now with universal health care.
- utopian0
Thanks to the "fear & war mongering" Republicans we a have (2) wars that cost nearly 2 trillion dollars and counting and will never win, the largest deficit in U.S. history, Wall Street bailouts, deregulation, one failed policy after another, etc... And now we have an amazing fear and misinformation campaign co-authored by Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
- MrDinky0
I don't blame republicans or democrats. I blames politicians.
- Mimio0
Our health care costs already represents a public option ( a bloated one at that). Hospitals and insurers pass the cost of uninsured patients on to you as paying covered member as well as the federal government. They're not running at a loss and still providing free service to the uninsured.
- Thats an over simplification.MrDinky
- I take it that you have a cushy healthcare coverage?utopian
- de-simplify it then, dinky.DrBombay
- Reading would be good for you. Outside the pop magazines.MrDinky
- Point me at some links, wise one.DrBombay
- Ah yes, it's somehow far more complicated isn't it? Please enlighten me.Mimio
- BRNK0
At this point, calling yourself "a free market guy" is about as relevant as extremely liberal people who still claim communism is the answer. It's a failed ideology. We are living the proof right now. Without government intervention, the "free market" would have collapsed in on itself. Greed is not a viable political system, sorry.
- MrDinky0
I think you take it for granted how free market works. With out it, you salary would be capped. You can not work where you want to work. You get diluted service because its over whelmed.
I still believe in free market. I think there is going to be a market price for everything. Its because of government prevention that we are in this hole. If we let banks fail, we wouldnt be spending money like this. People say that banks had less regulation since the republicans but in fact that Regan added more restrictions on banks but free on others. That creates imbalance on the market as a whole.
- Socialism failed over and over. It just doesnt work. Economics do not support it.MrDinky
- No one is advocating socialism...DrBombay
- Universality is the bases for socialism.MrDinky
- You're full of beans if you think the US is "going socialist"DrBombay
- I like markets as an economic system of distribution. "free market" is a flawed political ideology, not economics.TheBlueOne
- How is the US's current healthcare system free market?IRNlun6
- socialist actually relies on markets for resource distributionspifflink
- *socialismspifflink
- Distribution doesn't work because you can't directly compare individual and entity to one anotherMrDinky
- Gov in any form is a waste. National soci or imperialistc. You give $1 and they will spend $5.MrDinky
- Compared free market to theory of evolution. Equality simply does not work in market place. Looses efficiency and goes to waste. Aka unionsMrDinky
- ... waste. Look at unionsMrDinky
- and dinky goes off the rails...DrBombay
- And you have no thought of your own. How weird is thatMrDinky
- i remember when donky opted out of the print exchange.. that was some failed distribution right thereBonSeff
- Hahhaha.DrBombay
- Indeed i failed but hey all I lost was Internet respect boo. I guess I just moved on.MrDinky
- Another reason why social mentality doesn't work.MrDinky
- nice one using your own failures to prove your point.. selfish prickBonSeff
- It's obvious it doesn't work for you. The rest of us came through. This may be your actual problem, tho. Look inward.DrBombay
- inward.DrBombay
- Aww sorry I know eh. I should have been a politicanMrDinky
- a pelican?DrBombay
- That tooMrDinky
- And yes inward. I failed big and there is no excuse about that. My fault and only my self to blame. And that's that.MrDinky
- If govt sucks why don't you take your canadian ass to somalia? You can be a warlord there.TheBlueOne
- Perfect american answer. clap clap.MrDinky
- Funny thing is you want to be an American, right?DrBombay
- Nah. I dont think I will ever apply for US citizenship.MrDinky
- ukit0
Remember that old site theyrule? I wish someone would update that, because it's actually super relevant who is trying to get what in terms of these big policies.
The politicians, radio hosts etc, these are all just the PR people.
For example, Charles Koch - runs one of the largest privately held companies in the world.
A big portion of the anti-health care ads are funded by his organization, including one of the major groups involved with organizing the "tea parties" and rally protestors.
Now obviously what Charles Koch wants is probably relevant to the debate, but instead, we're sitting around arguing about Nazis.
- TheBlueOne0
Maybe this nazi meme was cooked up by Tarantino as some sort of viral marketing for his new flick, eh? Get people all worked up about nazis and then *BAM* there's Brad Pitt offing them with M-1 assualt rifles, fisticuffs and sharp pointy knives...
- akrokdesign0
none of these people who are against it, have ever read the bill or know what its really about. they are just grabbing things out of their ass and use that as facts.
- mathinc0
From a few pages back...
"Someone name for me a country that has a non government, completely free market health care system that gets good results at low cost."
We did. Until the gov decided it was in the best interests to mandate insurance companies to play middle man between you and your doctor. Thus inflating prices across the board and driving us into the situation we have now. As far as I'm concerned the debate boils down to Gov Waste vs Corp Profits, which one do we want less? No one is talking about actually making care better or streamlined. Even people pushing the gov plan will tell you that theirs isn't going to save much money as far as cost. They pitch it as 'competing' against insurance companies, but how exactly can you compete, to drive down corp prices, when your costs are the same? Doesn't make any sense. Problem is, once we start down the public road, the private option is toast, it'll only be a matter of time. So if we choose Gov Waste over Corp Greed then it'll be our only option. And just like every monopoly, the consumer runs a bigger risk of being abused. I'm not advocating either option, I think we need to have a real debate about where health costs are incurred and how we can get those to a level that serves the majority, because I really don't see either of the choices we're being given now fixing anything.
Some History:
"From their beginnings, HMOs were designed--by Democrats and Republicans--to eliminate individual health insurance. The result is a vast network of health care collectives (HMOs, PPOs, Point-of-Service plans) created by government that are destined to do harm to individuals.
The individual was first discouraged from buying insurance in 1942 when employee health premiums were made tax deductible to employers--not to individuals. Congress created Medicare in 1965, making individual insurance for those over 65 obsolete. Subsidized, unrestricted health care for seniors lead to an unprecedented frenzy of spending by patients and doctors.
Costs went up, introducing an economic obstacle to individual health insurance. As costs rose, those on the New Left, including then freshman Sen. Ted Kennedy, argued that government ought to pay for everyone's health care and promoted the idea of a health maintenance organization, a term coined by a left-wing college professor.
President Nixon appeased the left and proposed the HMO Act, which Congress passed in 1973. The law created new, supposedly cheaper health coverage with millions of dollars to HMOs, which, until then, constituted a small portion of the market. Kaiser Permanente was the only major HMO in the country by 1969 and most of its members were compelled to join through unions.
Combined with Medicare, the HMO Act eventually eliminated the market for affordable individual health insurance."
- FranceGeorgesII
- From "Capitalism Magazine"? ORLY? Hold on, let me find a non-biased "Communist Magazine" article for rebuttalTheBlueOne
- So these events aren't factual or are you just being a cunt?mathinc
- I used to like you Brian, but lately you're turning into a condescending prick. You should step away for a break.mathinc
- i think i have to agree with mathinc here. what's going on tbo? you need a break dude.sigg
- GeorgesII0
God, can't you guys bring democracy to another country so we can stop arguing about Healthcare/socialism/nazism.
Eh USA, Canada just insulted your mom, aren't you going to react?
I knew it, chicken, cot cottocot cot...
- GeorgesII0
God, can't you guys bring democracy to another country so we can stop arguing about Healthcare/socialism/nazism.
Eh USA, Canada just insulted your mom, aren't you going to react?
I knew it, chicken, cot cottocot cot...
- pizzafire0
i haven't read all of these posts, but is anyone else making the comparison of public health and public fire departments? the article is a bit over the top but i think it's a good comparison and worth a look at. unfortunately, i can't seem to find other much info on the subject.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ti…
- TheBlueOne0
So I pulled on my wading boots and pulled up my proxy server and went over to stormfront to see what, you know, actual american nazis were saying. I don't recommend it.
But the thread that started with this was quite popular:
"For dimwit leftists in the jew controlled media: One major fact that lead to the victory of National Socialism over in socialism / communism in 1930's Germany was the essential difference regarding class. Communists and socialists always promote class dissolution through class warfare. National Socialism promotes a classless society through breaking down the artificicial barriers that seperate members of a folk community. It's obvious which philosophy is more constructive. Just ask the millions of victims of Stalinist Russia. National Socialism serves to unite the members of a race of people and unify their goals. This was the essential strength of NS Germany."
Lots of "hear hears" and other stuff..and then they wandered over to the whole Kate & John tv show marraige failing apart and got lots of yucks using the word "gooklet" alot.
It's ugly over there. And um, no love for Obama at all or government sponsored healthcare. Huh. How about that.
- Do they have emoticons for "Oy oy oy!" ? Always wondered that.harlequino
- hahahaTheBlueOne
- pango0
saying obama is a nazi is equivalent to any sense that was made on this photo.
- monkeyshine0
- 50 million Americans with no health care
- majority of personal bankruptcies are due to medical costs
- of those filing bankruptcy due to medical costs, a majority had health insurance at the time
- CEOs of the top ten health insurance companies brought home an average of $11.9 million each last year- 'that ain't right' as they say below the mason dixon.monkeyshine
- BattleAxe0
- http://www.youtube.c…BattleAxe
- Thank you. By the way I recccomend the book Nixonland.TheBlueOne
- I'll check it out thanksBattleAxe
- gung_hoek0
however you stand on the issue, the critics are rolling like roland freisler himself, they can´t possibly behave that way and throw around 3rd reich comparisons at the same time
