Pirate Bay Trial
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- moth0
lukusW. That's actually the single most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on the internet.
You should twitter it.
Here it is again in case anyone missed it:
"It's wrong to make a film, invest a finite amount of money / time, and expect it to earn you money forever... it's completely fcking corrupt imo."
Wow.
- thelukeandrews0
holy shit!!!
- imakethepictures0
I'm hoping that eventually artists will be paid what they're worth: a fair wage, no more, no less. I think that will result in better music.
In other words, if creating cookie-cutter, teeny-bopper pop music is no longer a shortcut to becoming stinking-filthy-rich, then maybe in a few years all that will remain are people creating music for the love of the art and not the bling.
Apologies for the over-use of the hy-phen.
- kelpie0
" It's not wrong to get it free...
It's wrong to make a film, invest a finite amount of money / time, and expect it to earn you money forever... it's completely fcking corrupt imo. "
how is it fucking corrupt?? where do you get this sense of entitlement to other people's hard work?
admit it, you just don't like paying for stuff, that is the full 100% complete reality here, and you are trying to justify that with bullshit philosphical nonsense on the nature of "ownership of art". Sad.
- shinpo0
Please understand that I am not saying intellectual property has no value and shouldn't be paid for, but I am trying to say that the suit being filed against The Pirate Bay is weak and erroneous and should be thrown out seeing as The Pirate Bay has actually done nothing wrong in the matter.
If someone has a porche and I point out to my friend the house in which they keep it then he steals it am I at fault?
That is all The Pirate Bay has done - point to what is available. They also have un copyrighted material available from their site.
- If you tell your friend, "this dude has a Porche, the garage is unlocked and here's how to hotwire it," you are.blaw
- Not picking you, btw. Just a lot of bad analogies in this thread.blaw
- Shinpo has a point.imakethepictures
- KwesiJ0
there's still plenty of ways to make money being a muscian, more so. Thats a point many people are missing. The business is CHANGING (hopefully for the better) not disintegrating.
- ukit0
These ideas about intellectual property are not set in stone. Think about the drug industry. After a certain amount of time, the patent runs out and everyone is free to sell the product.
- Gucci0
"On 2 March 2009, the website was taken down by a coordinated DDoS attack. This was achieved through the hijacking of rogue botnets, and is purported to be the work of the IFPI.[54]"
- lukusW0
moth: basically, this problem is going to be raised again and again over the next ten / twenty years.
We've had a society which values things based on scarcity (ie. supply and demand - if a resource is scarce you have you pay more for it). This obviously doesn't work with digital things -> simply because they can be copied at little to no cost.
So, we go through a period when the old economics is copied and applied to digital goods -> but this can't be sustained.
Traditionally corporations use Intellectual Property as a kind of cash-cow. It's this that I find corrupt, because they're exploit us (as consumers) as well as the people who produce the work. Once the distribution costs are reduced down to near zero, I think the whole process seems even more corrupt.
My view might seem extreme to you, but I don't think it's totally ridiculous.
- winnie_the_shit0
I think trying to pin down the morality of the issue is stupid.
Piracy is a fact, not a moral issue.
- ukit0
Someone explain to me why we should be prosecuting Pirate Bay and not Rapidshare. Or Google for that matter.
Where do we draw the line? Is it because they have Pirate in the name? Cause that is not a very solid argument IMHO
- shinpo0
^valid point - the line cannot be defined so easily
- maximillion_0
PB's response page detailing the letters they would send out to owner's threatening law suits was always a good read. As well as the efforts by the material owners that were out of jurisdiction
- erikjonsson0
its not worth paying for in the first place. like hitler said. if you cant guarantee your own safety in existance you dont deserve it.
- Anders0
Of course, they (the pirate bay) know what kind of operation they are running, but the film/music business is way behind.
- Milan0
soo, what are the alternatives for The Pirate Bay besides Rapidshare and newsgroups?
- juhls0
blaw's analogy regarding the Porsche makes more sense than yours, shinpo.
The very purpose of The Pirate Bay is clear-cut. This particular torrent site makes it more obvious than others.
- ribit0
‘assisting in making copyright content available’
Isn't that what libraries do?
(Just think they could word it better?)
- shinpo0
Here is the documentary that you can download at http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Par…. Watch the first couple of minutes and it lets you know what the documentary is about.