Pirate Bay Trial
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- shinpo0
^valid point - the line cannot be defined so easily
- maximillion_0
PB's response page detailing the letters they would send out to owner's threatening law suits was always a good read. As well as the efforts by the material owners that were out of jurisdiction
- Milan0
soo, what are the alternatives for The Pirate Bay besides Rapidshare and newsgroups?
- juhls0
blaw's analogy regarding the Porsche makes more sense than yours, shinpo.
The very purpose of The Pirate Bay is clear-cut. This particular torrent site makes it more obvious than others.
- shinpo0
Here is the documentary that you can download at http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Par…. Watch the first couple of minutes and it lets you know what the documentary is about.
- moth0
"It's wrong to make a film, invest a finite amount of money / time, and expect it to earn you money forever... it's completely fcking corrupt imo."
So - destroy the film industry?
Well done. That'll solve things.
- juhls0
Does anyone remember when TorrentSpy was shut down? Or Oink? Sites will keep disappearing, but more will come back in their place. I wonder if these prosecutions will end up anywhere.
- shinpo0
They went through the same hardships when Guttenberg invented the printing press. It was illegal to produce books other than hand copying them. France had a whole police force to track down people who had books made by the printing press. If you had one you were killed. Same things different times.
- They found a way for the author to get money though, didn't they?juhls
- Eventually.juhls
- gutenberg did NOT pay royalties.francoisfido
- sicarius0
that giy says they succeeded in driving technology like napster, kazaa, etc etc out and away from the commercial field but in fact they were never in the commercial field, but now they are in the commercial field, they have changed their business models to become legitimate subscription services.
It's when a documentary starts which such obvious and fundamental errors that you have to question anything and everything else you are told.
And that doesn't mean I'm a RIAA supporter, but this is just more anti-propaganda
- winnie_the_shit0
The reason why companies make a big stink about piracy on the internet is because they want the same kind of consequences for theft as they have in their brink and mortar stores. But it's not that simple.. because you can't just walk into someones house and look around.. unless it's for a good reason.. and some music files and movies? C'mon.. LOW on the priority scale for law enforcement.
Would you be happy paying tax money to help bust some small time Mp3 downloads? Filling up jails with Movie pirates?
Let it go.
If you bust one trying to walk out of a best buy with the latest bluray DVD, fine, then charge him/her.. otherwise..
All of our privacy gets raided just to stop some mp3/movie/software downloads..
I'm not saying it's not a crime, but it's hardly enforceable.
Unless you're saying it's ok to go after pirate downloaders, at all costs, including the loss of a right to privacy.
See, the moral side of this issue.. is just a wash. Forget it.. you'll never wrap your head around it.
- moth0
Believe it or not – lukusW, record companies pay their artists. They have to - by law - at point of sale. So by by-passing legal sellers, YOU are not paying the artist royalties.
It's YOU fucking the artist by using peer-to-peer and illegal services.
- What's the solution?ukit
- buy from the artists at their show - direct.danthon
- im sure the stone roses wouldnt exactly agree with that statement mikemaximillion_
- lukusW0
moth - did you read my post previous? I'm just saying that the economic models that are used to sell IP need to be dramatically rethought.
To expect continual financial gain from IP is unrealistic and can not be maintained (and part of me thinks it shouldn't be encouraged anyway).
- winnie_the_shit0
Every time last.FM plays one of my songs.. I don't get paid..
Every time the radio plays one of my songs I get $17so.. does that make last.FM a pirate bay.. and the listeners of Last.FM pirates?
On my site, I have free albums, and pay for albums.. You like the free albums.. and that's all.. great! Play one on the radio! You like some pay albums, great, I get $1. Record company gets $9.
Come to a gig. I get paid, well.
- imakethepictures0
I have no problem paying artists/bands for their work. What I don't like is paying fat-cat labels who scarf the profits. That's what's changing, because it's so much easier to produce music and broadcast it now. Artists don't need the big labels and their promotional $$$ as much to be seen/heard. And they don't need the CD production pipelines and distribution paths. Maybe all the artists need now is designers to help promote them :)
- lukusW0
I think it's fair for people that that people get paid for the amount of time they spent on something - when it comes down to it, time is our most valuable resource; if everything was treated as a service industry - everything would be much simpler and the the middle-men wouldn't be able to get money for near-to-nothing.
- Point50
I remember when CDs came out and they cost $18-$20. The recording industry said that they would lower the price to be cheaper than a $10-$12 tape once the true cost of mass pressing CDs was found out. Well, that's never happened; they only dropped the the price by a few dollars. So in essence you end up paying more for the same amount of music in a cheaper, more efficient format. Then came the 90s with the onslaught of sophomore albums only having 2 or 3 decent songs on them; who here didn't get sick of that shit?! The record industry is no different than the rest of the fat pig corporations... they'll keep raising the price and keep gutting the source of the product and the consumer of the product as much as they can.
- I'm not justifying piracy so much as I'm pointing out the fucking bullshit that leads to it.Point5
- winnie_the_shit0
No band has yet to make a big splash by releasing digital only.
You could argue Radiohead and NIN did it.. but they were already huge bands with massive audiences..
But someone will, and yes, Imakethepictures, you're absolutely right.. The need for labels and for big business to run art is no longer necessary.. which is exactly whey they are lashing out and trying to control how music is distributed on the internet. That is what this is about.. not about the legality or the morality. It's about control.
- lukusW0
.. if artists get most of their money from radio play and gigging... isn't that all the more reason to pirate music?
- ukit0
^ So true Point5, I remember in the late 90s record companies/ record stores were actually raising their prices on CDs to something like $18-20. Totally fucking ridiculous, especially when you only wanted one song on the album and the rest were crap. It was pure greed.
What I find so funny about this is that you hear big corporations make the argument all the time about globalisation and outsourcing - "well, you can't hold back progress." Now you see that there is a flip side to capitalism, which is that when technological progress hurts the big companies, suddenly they want to try to stuff the genie back into the bottle, but they can't do it.
- * imagines stuffing the Alladin genie back into bottle.imakethepictures