Pirate Bay Trial
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- Anders0
"They are fighting tooth-and-nail to bring back the good old days, where there was a hard division into approved senders and passive consumer receivers, where the approved senders would compete for the wallet of the consumers. Essentially, they are trying to turn the internet into a cable TV network"
—Rick Falkvinge, the leader of the anti-copyright Pirate Party.
- it's a truly bollock-ridden statement. by non-approved senders they mean free.airey
- PonyBoy0
not sure how i feel about this... one minute i'm all for watching a free movie... the next minute is see a RIP thread and some designer is upset their work got snaked by some 2bit dipshit...
... i'm so torn.
- Anders0
Of course, they (the pirate bay) know what kind of operation they are running, but the film/music business is way behind.
- moth0
"film/music business is way behind"
Because they don't give away their products? Because you simply *can not* purchase the new Coldplay album legally online? Or because you heard someone else say this and thought it was clever?
- dontsueme0
That's like saying we should put Al Gore in jail for inventing the internet, because it is his fault that people look at kiddy porn.
I fucking hate people sometimes.
Strike that, most of the time.
- You can't defend this case. It's called the "pirate bay". It's pretty self explanatory really.moth
- Not really. Your logic is fail.dontsueme
- Because you're 12?moth
- What did you think they do? Rent port space to Pirates?moth
- dontsueme's does have a bit of a point, though convoluted at best.dMullins
- it's a reach is what it is.airey
- KwesiJ0
^^Because the old school entertainment companies are so damn stubborn to adopt new technology and business models for the sake of their massive rights holdings and diminishing consumer choice/rights. they're behind but I'd garuntee they have plans for p2p and 'free' content.
- this trial will be fun, i'll be looking for frequent updatesKwesiJ
- ukit0
Where do you draw the line? The site itself doesn't host illegal content, just provides links to it.
- That doesn't mean it's not part of the problem.juhls
- It absolutely is - but you have to win or lose cases based on a clear interpretation of the law one way or the otherukit
- by this rational, heroin dealers should be left alone cause it's the smack that at's fault. i'm in.airey
- Better analogy - take down the owner of the park where they sell drugsukit
- crack dealers work directly, they don't tell you 'it's over there in that trash bin, some guy put it there earlier'ArsenicPants
- juhls0
Here's a good read:
http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/20…"When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide."
- airey0
it's true that the industries are behind in delivery. but the pirate bay isn't offering product, or links to product that the creators get paid for. i'm all for the wake up call that the studios need but that's not the same thing as giing away pirated material. we've all downloaded the odd cd / vid (some more than others) but if the copyright infringement wasn't supported by this kind of action then who'd bother making anything? all our friends who are involved in bands / tv / etc would either have no work or have their pay reduced to almost nothing.
the studios def need to pull their head out of their arse and delivery needs to be faster and cheaper (try living in australia where we often have to wait a year to get content unless we simply buy through amazon.com for frustration, we still can't view hulu or any other online services thanks to publishing/distribution rights) but the argument that pirate bay put across:
"They are fighting tooth-and-nail to bring back the good old days, where there was a hard division into approved senders and passive consumer receivers, where the approved senders would compete for the wallet of the consumers. Essentially, they are trying to turn the internet into a cable TV network"
is horseshit. if anyone honestly downloads copyright infringed materials and tells themself they're making a bold social statement or empowering anyone but themselves they're mentally ill.
hopefully what they have shown the studios is that there's a huge market of people wanting product immediately with decent pipeline delivery in their net connections. this will hopefully lead to competition in online vendors.
i could be wrong.
- ukit0
Without commenting on who's right and who's wrong, it's interesting to see how the pirates are always a few steps ahead of the regulators. Back when I was in college, Napster was the big thing - then they got taken down and everyone moved to other services. A few years ago torrents became big and you could download entire movies. Now it seems like posting on file sharing sites (Rapidshare, Megaupload etc) is the method of choice. By the time these sites get taken down, it will probably be something else.
- hahaha. yeap, it's a sad indictment of all the money the studios fuck away.airey
- Napster was never shut down it was bought out and turned into a commercial platform. To me alarm bells go off knowing this.KwesiJ
- Yea, a commercial platform that went bankrupt and is looking for a buyer I hearukit
- yeah but thats only cos iTunes did it betterfiesta
- KwesiJ0
the thing is p2p is simply a effcient function of digital technology not a business model. I'm personally convinced that the major companies are after pirate bay and oink because piracy and the lack of any recouperable losses to the artists and labels but because its an independant entity with a huge wealth of marketing info and consumer pull. See when verizon sued google over youtube what happens is these two mega corps exchange data and go into backroom mingling mode while the media make a big deal over piracy. They can't really do that with PB.
- probably a bit of both for sure. but control of delivery is def a major issue.airey
- ukit0
I really think ad supported model is the only viable model that can really end piracy. Most networks now have their shows watchable online and that is a great step.
But I suspect ad rates for online are not near what they get for broadcast so it's still not a clear solution.
- sikma0
they may as well try to stop the tide from rolling in
- juhls0
It's the hydra effect.
- KwesiJ0
I don't think they're trying to stop a damn thing i think they're exploiting the situation. Like they say in the artcle if they wanted to stop piracy they should stop the people from pirating. Its a bit like policing drug dealing by imprisoning addicts.
- moth0
Rapidshare wont get taken down because it does not advocate illegal content, and WILL take down files that are reported.
Pirate Bay, by very definition, is where you go to find pirated material. That is the whole purpose of it's existence, and zero effort is put into removing "illegal" content. You might as well call it "theplacewhereyoucanstealmusican... - it's that abundantly clear what the site does - and denying this is like burying your head in the sand and it makes you look fucking stupid too.
- JOSF0
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn…
"Half of the charges levelled at the founders of the Pirate Bay file-sharing site have been dropped.
Prosecutors dropped charges relating to "assisting copyright infringement" leaving the lesser charges of "assisting making available copyright material" on day two of the trial.
Pirate Bay co-founder Frederik Neik said it showed prosecutors had misunderstood the technology.
The music industry played down the changes as "simplifying the charges". "