Putin = Hero
Putin = Hero
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- sted2
- she regrets things her past and she is running for prez. in rassa with a plot twist: in putin's party.
that is some effective brainwashingsted - The botox and lip fillers melted her brains.NBQ00
- Bee sting therapy worked out well on her face.PhanLo
- No fucking way lolscarabin
- lol...and how about this classic
https://www.youtube.…qoob
- she regrets things her past and she is running for prez. in rassa with a plot twist: in putin's party.
- garbage2
The previous notes are far too long, but to whoever thought claims of Putin literally killing his political rivals, the dude that survived two poisonings and just got a fat new extension.
- wEsT bAd, RuSsIa & cHiNa GoOd.Nairn
- Not sure I get your point?garbage
- So basically he's accused of the thing Putin is definitely guilty of on a far larger scale, stealing money from government institutions.yuekit
- @garbage: perhaps I misunderstood - i thought you posted this as a counter to those who think US et al is an unalloyed force for Bad in the world.Nairn
- No, somebody in an earlier post really questioned if Putin has killed journalists and political rivals, but it's lost in over 100 notes.garbage
- @yuekit It seems that way, no clean hands in a plague pit.garbage
- The Panama Papers spelled it out pretty clearly
https://www.icij.org…yuekit - Yup, and after literally nothing happened after the Panama Papers, it became real clear that the powers that be were much stronger than previously estimated.garbage
- As I recall...PM of Iceland resigned. It was a minor scandal in UK for David Cameron. Zero consequences for Putin, in China the news was totally banned.yuekit
- yuekit3
All this blame the West stuff is just a little too easy isn't it? In reality there is zero threat to Russia from Ukraine, just like there is zero threat to PRC from Taiwan.
The scenario Putin puts forward that if Ukraine *someday joins NATO then it could lead to WW3 in eastern Ukraine is absurd -- it's a situation he created himself by invading and annexing part of Ukraine.
Clearly Putin, the guy who has massed hundreds of thousands of troops on Ukraine's border, doesn't care about avoiding war. He's using the threat of NATO expansionism (and even more ridiculously, "ethnic cleansing" of Russians) cynically as an excuse to exploit smaller countries in Russia's periphery.
- And your position, is the other way around. "blame the East stuff". Methinks you occupy the same black and white world as hotroddy.Khurram
- Aaand you snuck in a strawman about "threat to PRC from Taiwan". That's not even the issue over there.Khurram
- Hey I like to think I'm pretty balanced, I hate all geographic directions equally :)yuekit
- And PRC absolutely does pretend that Taiwan somehow poses a threat to them, as silly as that sounds. Think of it as Russia and China's own version of WMD.yuekit
- Good read: https://nationalinte…Khurram
- ^ The reason Ukraine is talking down the threat is because if people think an invasion is imminent it will crash the economy.yuekit
- But remember, Russia has already invaded Ukraine multiple times. It's not exactly a far fetched scenario.yuekit
- Russia also literally committed genocide in Ukraine under Stalin (3.5 million killed). Ukrainians have plenty of reason to distrust Russia and want freedom.yuekit
- That's total crap. Both PRC and a Taiwan claim to be the one nation of China. That's not at all what's going on with Ukraine. Complete spin you're putting on thKhurram
- Also, you have argued, for the second time now (Including in the China/Taiwan thread), that anyone who argued against the Washington narrative, is reflexively aKhurram
- anti-West. That's an ad hominem avoiding the actual argument at hand.Khurram
- No I said it's a lazy argument. Of course the West and USA have plenty of atrocities and bad actions they have committed as well.yuekit
- But simply invoking NATO expansion or Western imperialism as a catch all excuse is nonsense. It doesn't justify Russia or China's own imperialism againstyuekit
- smaller countries. And looking at it objectively, does Ukraine pose any sort of real threat to Russia? Does Taiwan pose a threat to PRC? No.yuekit
- No you said you're anti-West if you don't buy into the Washington narrative... BTW, what's that "tankies" slur you came out with? I didn't Google...Khurram
- Something coming out of Hong Kong about the "Western" left? Like a nickname they have. *guffaw*Khurram
- We're not talking about Western or US atrocities. We're talking about the crisis in Ukraine. Your point is moot. Moot point!Khurram
- lol Khurram it's going to take a lot of notes to fully explain my views on all of this. But yeah, I was against the Iraq War, War on Terror, all that stuff.yuekit
- So of course I'm not in favor of buying into "the Washington narrative." At the same time I've noticed a kind of dumbed down anti-West narrative emerge inyuekit
- recent times, funded by the Russian state, the CCP and other powerful non-Western interests in the world.yuekit
- As Nairn says above, wEsT bAd, RuSsIa & cHiNa GoOd. This is no better than brainlessly following the so-called Western narrative.yuekit
- Yes, notes are not the best way to discuss anything on here. I got spanish lesson. Laterz.Khurram
- And ultimately, would I want to live under European social democracy or Putinist reactionary kleptocracy? Of course I pick the first one, are you seriouslyyuekit
- going to pretend you wouldn't as well? And if not, who are you to tell Ukrainians or Taiwanese what system they deserve to live under?yuekit
- There you are again with the strawmen.Khurram
- So you agree Russia shouldn't invade right? What are we even arguing about here then? :)yuekit
- If there's an intelligent, defensible version of events where Russia is somehow the victim in all this I haven't seen it yet, that's all I'm saying.yuekit
- uno: https://www.youtube.… dos: https://external-pre… tres: https://qph.fs.quorKhurram
- cuatro: https://www.youtube.… cinco: https://nationalinte…Khurram
- << And also what you posted here is stupid strawmen ad hominem attacks.Khurram
- oldie, but a goldie: https://www.foreigna…Khurram
- Your #1 source is Putin himself? Haha OK bro...yuekit
- behind paywall, let me know if you need me to send you the text: https://www.foreigna…Khurram
- Second and third source dead link. Fifth one you already posted. So we're left with one guy giving a speech about how "the West created Putin." Not sure whatyuekit
- relevance that has to Russia invading Ukraine.yuekit
- ? https://external-pre…Khurram
- ?? https://qph.fs.quora…Khurram
- sounded like you needed reminding of why we're arguing :PKhurram
- Do you remember, 20 years ago, gosh, with Iraq, when people would say to you if you're against the war you support tyranny and Saddam and are against freedumbs?Khurram
- Do your remember this? I mean, c'mon. Do better.Khurram
- Right and like I said I opposed the Iraq War but that doesn't mean EVERY conflict in the world is the USA's fault.yuekit
- strawman!Khurram
- What you haven't really done here is make the connection to the current situation in Ukraine. Is the USA actually threatening Russia somehow?yuekit
- And please learn the actual definitions of the terms ad hom and strawman, they are not the same thing :)yuekit
- Yes i know. Strawman is when you posit an unrelated argument to win a separate argument, example, in a argument on the Ukraine crisis:Khurram
- Every conflict isn't the USA's fault!" Now you're arguing about whether every conflict is the USA's fault or whether some are not. Uhmmm ?Khurram
- Ad hominem - when you attack the people making the argument rather than the argument being made.Khurram
- As in when you say those of us who are presenting a counter-narrative to the one from Washington as "blaming the West for everything" as in this postKhurram
- or are reflexively "anti-West" as you have said in other posts. We are not! Mischaracterization! Ad hom!Khurram
- God, these notes blow! You're right. No point. Arguing about arguing now. *out*Khurram
- Ad hom would be more like if you refused to believe something simply because Fox News or whatever reported it.yuekit
- Pointing out that some people have a reflexive anti-Western view isn't ad hom at all.yuekit
- What I'm still waiting for is any kind of coherent argument that connects the existence of US military bases in Europe with Russia needing to invade Ukraine.yuekit
- People offer this up as if it makes the argument for them but it really doesn't. USA has no plans to attack Russia -- would be insane for them to do so.yuekit
- Widen your reading.Khurram
- The origin of the term tankie BTW is that during the 60s, there were democratic uprisings in some of the USSR conquered territories. The USSR sent in tanksyuekit
- to crush the revolutions killing thousands of people. Some Westerners stupidly cheered the USSR on as they did this using similar arguments as you hear today.yuekit
- palimpsest2
- wow....put this in WWIII thread.hotroddy
- and UK is fucked threadhotroddy
- haha, brilliant.
Why 'UK is fucked' thread? NATO's got your beloved USA#1 at the helmNairn - No, no clearly France is fucked._niko
- haha, everyone's favourite dictatorIanbolton
- If he really wants to go Nuclear, should i look into getting a basement?Ianbolton
- Ian... Better look into deep calcareous caves, with subterrain water, and you're done for a pair of months ;)OBBTKN
- Honesty; always the best policy.ideaist
- @nairn because it's the only European fucked thread.hotroddy
- I take it back. It may serve humanity well if we go through another world war.hotroddy
- Particularly if we can get Generation Z on the front lines. It will put all their 'social injustice' and 'gender identity' grievances in perspective.hotroddy
- Lol hotroddy, indeed_niko
- wow, what a retarded thing to say. why don't you go fight in the front lines, tough guy?Milan
- it was a joke, you space cadet. there is no front line in ww3hotroddy
- Oh wait didn’t see the “we need another world war” part, just commenting on the gen z coddled perspective of the world._niko
- @hotroddy on your backyard mate.sted
- I find it hilarious that his saber rattling is actually terrifying, but his voice is that of a wimpy cartoon mouse from the 40s.garbage
- I can't find it now, but there's an old speech he did in English and he comes across like a castrado with cotton mouth.garbage
- Botox freaktank02
- USA
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USAutopian - Not Botox, it's fillers of some kind, same as Madonna is usingdrgs
- Isn’t it weird that this human owns a button that will end all known intelligent life in the universe? Like, evolution, history, art, everything, just gonescarabin
- All because something something ukraine. Like it’s importantscarabin
- This is a crazy guy who just pulled the pin on a grenade and is waving it around threatening to drop it if he doesn’t get what he wants and we’re just cool w itscarabin
- lol, but you trust Biden with the same button?Milan
- I don’t believe such a button should even exist. No man should have that power.scarabin
- Nato in Ukraine is like China establishing military bases in Canada near US border.
Just like US has a perimeter of countries which have to be theirs/neutraldrgs - for americans to feel safe, Ukraine has to be neutral for Russia to feel safe. NATO in Ukraine is completely unnecessary. The french gerontophile gets itdrgs
- Russia has bases/forces in Venezuela and Cubahotroddy
- milan, Biden will have access to the button for only 3 more years. Putin has access to the button indefinitely and power is his aphrodisiac.hotroddy
- He may want to exit the world stage with a bang as he hits his existential exithotroddy
- You know about Putin's aphrodisiacs first-hand? I'd be more worried about 79 year-old sleepy Joe wanting to go out with a bang.Milan
- ^lol what? Biden sucks, but he's also not ex-KGB that has successfully orchestrated the assassinations of countless political rivals, dissidents, journalists..garbage
- ..while establishing an anocracy and also possibly amassing the largest fortune in human history.garbage
- MAD will stay his hand, but Putin is not the desk jockey Stasi boy he was in the 80s. He's almost like a real life Tywin Lannister at this point.garbage
- butthurtism vs memeismsted
- garbage, got any proof of that or are you just spewing trash?Milan
- Milan let me guess, you’re really a big fan of Putin.NBQ00
- In case you're not just joking, it's all over the internet and not hard to find. Putin's popular political rival and biggest critic has been attacked..garbage
- ..poisoned twice with a nerve agent that is easily traceable and the Kremlin uses as a *wink wink* calling card, and is..garbage
- ..currently in a penal colony where he will most likely die a most mysterious death. It's pretty open information.garbage
- I agree with you Scar. Image the damage Boris J could do if he got a little too wasted at one of his parties. Maybe caught fingering his PA or somehing. Boom!Ianbolton
- Russia doesn't have military bases in Cuba or Venezuela. It's never had a base in Venezuela. It has no military installations in the Americas at all lolKhurram
- WTF are you talking about?? Can't you even do a basic Google search before you start making up facts to suit your arguments? lolKhurram
- There is no button. The button doesn't exist. You guys been watching too much Dr Strangelove.Khurram
- you have russian military centres in Venezuela. With Russian missionaries protecting the inner circle of Maduro. Russian training of military personnel.hotroddy
- russian missile defense systems set up by the russians. In cuba you have the same with russian spy centres. All in direct violation of the Monroe Doctrinehotroddy
- Hope you are enjoying Colombia, a prosperous and relatively safe country due to American investment and partnership.hotroddy
- Unlike venezuela which has gone to shit since after becoming a colony of Russia, Cuba and China!hotroddy
- You are literally talking shit. They don't even have military alliances.Khurram
- Yes, it's a great country. Great people. Heading to sparring session right now: https://i.imgur.com/…Khurram
- i tihnk you're just trying to equate close diplomatic ties & arms sales to the "attack one attack all" military alliance that is NATO. Which would be STUPID.Khurram
- Eugh no time for this.Khurram
- they're military allies which is the same shit. you are just arguing semantics. but knock yourself out. enjoy colombiahotroddy
- Thanks. ¡Viva Colombia! #brownprideKhurram
- uh u look like u lost a lot of weight, or you're in the "competition mode"?sted
- There are two Russian military bases in Venezuela https://www.archyde.…neverscared
- the fact that Maduro uses russian commando to do his security says it ALL. Zelensky doesn't contract American military for his security staff. lolhotroddy
- Macron refused Russian COVID test in Putin trip over DNA theft fearsneverscared
- https://www.reuters.…neverscared
- I'm surprised he didn't poison Macronhotroddy
- @sted ha, i have lost weight, but I'm standing next two steroid heads that make me look extreme skinny, haKhurram
- @neverscared that is utter unsubstantiated bullshit you pulled out of some obscure corner of the internet there, from a "defector" LOL,,, ok i guess point made.Khurram
- hotroddy, here's semantics for you - an alliance between two nations is a pact of mutual self-defence. I will give you some time to ruminate on those semantics.Khurram
- you're naive if you don't think Russia has a military alliance with V. They may not sign officially because all it is a piece of paper worth shit.hotroddy
- and it's in their advantage to keep you in the dark because it goes against Monroe doctrinehotroddy
- So you believe if the United States were to invade Venezuela, Russia would declare war on the US? As US/Europe would against Russia if Ukraine joined NATO...?Khurram
- Using it's extensive military installations in Venezuela and Cuba to launch the attack :DKhurram
- They are threatening to make them more extensive: https://www.wsj.com/…hotroddy
- But know USA isn't going to invade Venezuela. The only aggressor here is Russiahotroddy
- *but no usa...hotroddy
- *cough
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*coughpalimpsest - Nothing of that sort currently exists in Venezuela at all. There's a vague threat of future deployment at some point in time.Khurram
- But yeah, you can't argue with such wild conspiracies. Just join the dots mate. Because the US never invades any country.Khurram
- Once you enter the world of conjecture, imma exit this, just leave you with this helpful map.. https://external-pre…Khurram
- https://external-pre…Khurram
- ! https://qph.fs.quora…Khurram
- hotroddy.com y'all's!palimpsest
- lol@palimpsest thats sneeky :D
that 2014 map looks a bit different today, u could add china to it for example.sted - every superpower tries to tighten its forces to see who has still power and influence and where after the pandemic.sted
- i think the US/Venezuela invasion is a good example to the current scenario. rassa wouldn't sound the alarm if the US would start a "military exercise"?sted
- after occupying some parts of the land maybe cutting Venezuela form the sea, shooting down a plane full with civilians.sted
- Note # record?!ideaist
- khurram keep defending russia. I don't see you doing your martial arts in Venezuela. I see you enjoying the comfort and freedom of capitalist Colombiahotroddy
- The world should thank the USA for policing the world and we should diminish Russia and China's sphere of influence wherever possible.hotroddy
- if USA hasn't invaded the tiny island of cuba in 60 years (after bay of pigs) it most definitely will never invade Venezuela.hotroddy
- Russia on the other hand just recently invaded Crimeahotroddy
- Most of the population of Crimea is Russian. Russia took it back to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Russian people living there.Milan
- They wanted to prevent what happened in Croatia. NATO supported the ethnic cleansing of Croatia in 1995, when 250,000 people were expelled and hundreds killed.Milan
- The people of former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen... should really thank the U.S. for bringing them peace and prosperity? Are you retarded?Milan
- the world isn't perfect but you're either with the west which embraces democracy and free speech or your not. that's as black and white as it getshotroddy
- Democracy.
9/11/73
Never Forget.palimpsest - You mean the illusion of democracy and free speech? Tell that to Joe Rogan, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden...Milan
- lol at joe rogan and your asinine response. There is cancel culture and there is go to the internment camp culture.hotroddy
- Milan u know that rassa is doing everything since the '90 to destabilize the western region of europe and dismantle the nato?sted
- since the '90s. closer the nato defense lines get installed more shit they do against any cooperation.sted
- https://www.nato.int…
this is where we are now.sted - and that's how we got here:
https://media.defens…sted - Montenegro and Macedonia was added in 2020, both are in that region.sted
- pandemic>money printing>inflation>w... great reset of capitalismpablo28
- ...war > the great resetpablo28
- sted, NATO has been expanding towards Russia's borders since the '90s, even though they had promised that they wouldn't.Milan
- NATO is now threatening Russia's security by backing them into a corner. Imagine if Russia brought Mexico under their wing, installed nuclear missiles andMilan
- pointed them at the U.S? You think the U.S. would feel safe and just sit there?Milan
- NATO doesn't have a gun to their head. But russia is like the predator who has a child they abducted tied up in the van and is threatening to rape and kill ithotroddy
- those countries want to prosper and it's not Russia's call.hotroddy
- Montenegro and Macedonia have a US-supported puppet governments who joined NATO without a referendum because they knew most people would have voted No.Milan
- The president of Montenegro, Milo Djukanovic has been in power for 30 years.Milan
- hotroddy, you're a racist, xenophobic idiot.Milan
- you know you're out of arguments when...hotroddy
- I think it's just an excuse, the NATO thing. Putin has mentioned many times in the past that he views the collapse of the USSR as the greatest tragedy of theyuekit
- 20th century lol. He's not nostalgic about communism so what he's referring to is Russia dominating the smaller countries in the region as an imperialist power.yuekit
- obliviously there are personal reasons but that's how they justify their "foreign interference" since the 2000s. union collapsed because of western interferencested
- the western media with the cia brainwashed people, planted spies everywhere, and influenced the free will of the people what lead to the collapse of the union..sted
- this was and is the communists theory about it in Hungary.sted
- it wasn't just us who heard these things.
but it was our free will that didn't wanted the occupation. because that is what it was for 50 years, nothing else.sted
- Nairn0
Hyeppeh Byirthdyay, Meestr Pootin!
- zaq1
- careful there's a trace on your IP... post a shirtless Putin riding the bear before FSB agents with nerve gas are dispatchedjonny_quest_lives
- That is ummm... unusual....kalkal
- inv2
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/…
A lesson for the people who help the opposition I guess...
- _niko1
Vladimir Putin Has Become America’s Ex-Boyfriend From Hell.
He’s not very important to us, but he keeps stalking us.
"For a country with so much human talent, that’s pathetic. Russia today is a Czarist economy with a space station — Dr. Zhivago with nuclear missiles and hackers. Meanwhile, scientists who fled Russia have made Israel and Silicon Valley tech superpowers. A rare success is Russia’s Covid-19 vaccine, but it is difficult to mass produce."
"So how best for Biden to deal with this geopolitical stalker? Answer: low-cost military deterrence and high-volume diplomacy that puts us solidly behind Navalny’s anti-corruption movement. Message to Putin: “Our last president was with you. We’re instead with your people. Have a nice day.”
- "Navalny’s anti-corruption movement..." LMAO, NYT, you can't be serious, oh my...OBBTKN
- https://qph.fs.quora…PhanLo
- _niko2
Putin's secret opulent palace revealed
starts at 30:35- This is so tiring, so much info and the guy talks really fast. But really crazy shit.oey_oey
- Good luck with protests and demonstrations wrestling power from tzar Putin._niko
- I have heard different stuff about this guy, some people say he is an ultra-nationalist right-winger and not a liberal (referring to Navalny here not Putin).yuekit
- But regardless I like his approach of putting out documentaries like this.yuekit
- Gypsy baroque interior, lots of money, zero tastedrgs
- sounds like someone we just got rid of as presidentdkoblesky
- zaq6
- lol , wtfneverscared
- Trumps titties are way bigger, no one knows man titties like TrumpGuyFawkes
- neverscared1
- This is like blaming Russia every time someone gets killed by an AK47.Milan
- drgs0
- Sellies0
- Read this Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin
by Fiona Hill, Clifford G. Gaddy
https://www.goodread…grafician - That looks like a good read! Thanks GraficianSellies
- It's basically the definitive psychological profile on Putin, recognised by all the people that do these things...grafician
- aaand done.sted
- Read this Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin
- zaq0
- he looks more mongol-ish than russian.
i loved this one: https://covers.magaz…sted
- he looks more mongol-ish than russian.
