Mad Men
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- ukit0
Great episode. Loved the ending.
- SPOILER >>instrmntl
- I thought it was great that he kicked the prospective clients out of the office. That needs to happen more often.instrmntl
- I was kinda on the client's side, the idea Don pitched was off-brandmtgentry
- True but an agencies goal was to sell more product, and there simply wasn't a way to beat competitors without owning up to what their product really is, scantily clad swimsuits.instrmntl
- to what it was, scantily clad swimsuits.instrmntl
- tank0
what was that song in end?
- mtgentry0
Don isn't a great creative. All day long he tells companies about how they're perceived by consumers. Yet he doesn't understand why he needs to be a good face for the company when being interviewed by Ad Age? It's odd, he usually understands the role he plays.
- Don clearly believes his work speaks for him.ETM
- There's a conflict between Don's own personal (hidden) identity, the story he's spun around those he's close to, and his professional identity.lukus_W
- his professional identity.lukus_W
- i noticed he's always resting on his couch.instrmntl
- Ummm, a good creative director is a good strategist. It's not all about making up taglines and jingles, or even painting a pretty picture. The central dogma of advertising is manipulation and perception by consumer is paramount to building a GREAT campaign.ethandmarquis
- identity0
^
I think it has more to do with not being told what to do.
He left the old office to start his own - to build something of his own - and he doesn't want to DO what Roger and Pete tell him to do anymore.- But he shouldn't have to be told by Roger that he needs to sell himself. he should know that.mtgentry
- digdre0
get out
- kult0
Don had the backing and clout of a major established agency for the majority of his career. Now he's vulnerable for the first time.
- dopepope0
'Gammera the Invincible' came out in 1966. This episode took place on the eve of 1965. Jussayin'.
- lukus_W0
"No body knows what's wrong with themselves, when everyone else can see it right away."
- Loved Draper's face when this was said. Like he wasn't sure whether to be insulted, genuinely surprised she said something intelligent, or realizing this is truepastpastdue
- something intelligent, or something that was actually true.pastpastdue
- yep, totally .. was a good scene.lukus_W
- I think that's the big difference now .. he's starting to realise that he's fallible - he doesn't buy his own bullshit.lukus_W
- I suspect he has always known he's fallible. But now he feels everyone else knows too.ETM
- Yeah, could be true .. but it's always quite easy to be delusional if you think other people are buying it.lukus_W
- lukus_W0
I liked this episode .. a change of pace - but I like slow.
- BonSeff0
steak scene cracked me up
- lukus_W0
^ yeah, that was brilliant; a really nice cut (to the comedy club) too. I think the editing is brilliant .. some of the cuts during that night out were superb .. hard cuts / kind of reinforcing the sense a person has when remembering back on the night before.
Maybe Mad Men isn't the sopranos, but I think it's got a lot going for it.
- instrmntl0
The cinematography is freaking amazing.
- pastpastdue0
I really hope that Draper's world comes crashing down around him as the show wraps up. I think that would be phenomenal. Going from a confident, immovable force who could conquer the world both in work and with women to a shattered, worthless person who's opinion means nothing anymore because he didn't adapt with trends and too fragile to love would be a great way to end the show, I think.
Starting to see signs of it already. When he was in the car with Ira's sister's daughter, and she asked "What are you doing," his response was SO awkward and dumbfounded.
- tank0
You are missing the point what Don is about.
Don his world is crashing around already for 3 season's.
He is a man out of place and the series is about him finding his place.
- ukit0
Or maybe neither. Kind of like the Sopranos, I didn't feel there was any great takeaway at the end of the series, the characters themselves were the focus. You follow their life for a while and then it ends.
- lukus_W0
There's an interesting disjunct playing out .. as Don becomes more aware of who he is and what he requires, the way he's accustomed to interacting with the world (as philandering, misogynistic king of the world) is becoming less relevant.
The world is changing, fast. He's in danger of being left behind - but I suppose this recent coming of age saga could turn out well for him.
It's a bitter-sweet paradox - as we become older, we learn what we always needed to know when we were young.
- pillhead0
So where in 1965, doesn't really seem like it to me.
- why?twokids
- the real '60s' revolution didnt start until about 1967 -summer of love - im sure that stuff is coming...twokids
- Daughter mentions the Berkley sit-in.. reference to free speech movement http://en.wikipedia.…lukus_W
- Good point.pillhead