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- robbbie0
hate is all you need
- fate_0
And yeah, I'd really like to see killerqueen's work.
- vague0
it's fucking hysterical. there are insanely talented people with amazing careers at agencies & studios all over the world.
yet you have bitches like son proclamining the KDU to be this end-all be-all gateway to success, acting like anyone outside of its looser-than-a-sloppy-vagina-netw... its hysterical. lose your fucking pompous attitude.
"but I know the KDU Crew has a lot of work that most of you could never do on your own or with out biting."
are you fucking joking? are you really that fucking naive?
son is calling people "niggers". are you fucking joking me? i straight guarantee i could fuck that bitch up so fast his untalented ass would think he got blindsided by his dads penis again.
i in no way defend depthcore or any of that shit, but its fucking hilarious hearing you slag on one site, while promote "the kdu" and all its corny ass "trust us" bullshit marketing and fucking clumsy collateral.
- i called yall idiots, he called me flav, i called him nigger, i call you dramason
- lifterBARON0
where is your site? you have anything other than anonymity on your side? vague.
have you even seen the work some of the KDU kids do? obviously not. email if you dont wanna share your work on here. I wanna see what you have up your sleeve. What the fuck is naivety have to do with my comment anyway, its a fucking opinion. Not to mention i never once said that KDU is better than Build, or Rumbero, or anybody other than insinuating they had more skill on their side than the fucks criticizing what they are doing.
- son0
fate, this is the one the only, Son. but I did grab Dave on the phone. he laughed and said, write an invoice.
one™
- fate_0
one indeed.
I have no idea why you'd be coming at me as if this was between you and me. I mean I've barely even interacted with you. I showed you some photos on AIM I took once and that's about it.
I know you really like David and all, but maybe take a step back?
- vague0
cocklove
- So i assume this is an answer to my question. Or maybe if i type in "cocklove" ill find your work???lifterBARON
- lifterBARON0
i never mentioned that i thought son had any skill. i just think its fuckin retarded people are shitting on Gensler and KDU cause there is a lot of Hype behind it. We are fucking designers, we create hype to sell a fucking product. plain and simple. thats our job, thats why we have sites and cards, and t-shirts etc.. with our id on it..
word though. my shit isnt that good.. but ill say it loud. its better than most.. which might not say a lot, but I dedicated to getting out there and being seen and making moves. . i dont just roll in to a blog and talk crazy shit just to act tough. this is the shit i believe. i live this shit.. and i dont think people who dont design have as much if any right to talk down or talk shit.. fuck film critics too, they only read reviews and talk about sales, they dont have much clout when it comes down to it. if you are seasoned and skilled at something or anything related to your criticism, than blam take a poke or too at someone's work, but dont slander and bitch just to do it.
- son0
I am taking three steps back... and here is what I see.
homie has built a finely tuned global army. they do projects all over the world and help accelerate people. Dave is straight fucking nuts, but also backs his friends with real loyalty. everyone that talks shit is not really of any serious weight. Dave and everyone else that runs the KDU has never made claims... saying they are better than someone - just doing their own thing. if you dont like it... dont pay attention.
people like to say the svsv line is fake and the kdu has no clients... yet they have a massive base camp in NYC filled with people.
i guess that all must be some photoshopped pictures of their accounting firm? I dont see you kids with 5000 square feet of space in NYC.that is just the facts.
and the other fact is we aint going anywhere... so come at it and offer something better or shut up.
- what do you get out of sucking balls all day?designerror
- cannonball0
I did, in fact read this whole thing from the peanut gallery. I'll come out with it and say I do dislike the KDU, and not just because of the glossy self-indulgence, but because it sells the idea of design as a lifestyle to younger people like Son, who eat it up wholesale in exchange for a sense of purpose as a mouthpiece without even considering the depth that true design can hit at. Cults become attractive to their members in much the same way.
The KDU... well let's take a look at what discourse it's created as evidence of it's value.... hype and the world that hype is sustained by.... and not much else. Seems to be a limited level of contribution. What is it a "Keystone" of then, if anything?
"By continuing this trend of style-first then society expects less, our jobs get easier, our jobs are now so one-dimensional, our clients can go anywhere and get style made."
I agree with this. When money meets creativity on the market, no one likes to buy into risky ideas, so fear keeps everything watered down. I see a lot of "low risk aesthetic" perpetuated these days and a lot of it looks like the stuff the KDU does. High gloss, low message. This type of stuff must sell well because It tastes great and is easy to digest.
*gets off soap box and returns to soulless advertising job a hypocrite*
The KDU... well let's take a look at what discourse it's created as evidence of it's value.... hype and the world that hype is sustained by.... and not much else. If it is the fabrication of hype that they "design" it seems to be a limited level of contribution. What is it a Keystone of then, if anything?"By continuing this trend of style-first then society expects less, our jobs get easier, our jobs are now so one-dimensional, our clients can go anywhere and get style made."
I agree with this. The premium of creativity has risen in the last few years, especially in the business world. The hypocrisy is that no one likes to buy into risky ideas, so fear keeps everything watered down. I see a lot of "low risk aesthetic" perpetuated these days and a lot of it looks like the stuff the KDU does. High gloss, low message. It tastes great and is easy to digest. Ask Son.
- designerror0
Looks like Dave G got himself a "right hand" with goal of internet designer fame set so high that he doesn't even see how fucking stupid he look.
one™ you dumb fuck™
- cannonball0
*looks at poorly edited submission and gets red*
- It's okay. At least you took the effort to write more than a few petty insults or incoherent thoughts.ismith
- Iggyboo0
I agree this is ugly. Seriously let's leave KDU alone. Whatever their intentions are, but at the same time... I don't think it's fair to attack a forum with shameless self promotion. People don't like what you do than fine, personally I think some of KDU's stuff is gorgeaous. But I wish the elitism wasn't coming through in your work and in this rant you provided us "Son". Good luck in your future endeavours but I'd let this just drop.
- dyspl0
either you're talented or not, self promoting -as we see so often nowdays...- is upseting.
- your saying self promotion is upsetting? i hope not.. cause thats ridiculous..lifterBARON
- lifter your an ass.
tank02 - for what reason..?? any? fill me in guy.. please attempt to share.lifterBARON
- joyride0
fuck son!
- colin_s0
el oh el
- gramme0
Someone:
summary in 100 words or less, please.
- pepe0
Ive been part of the kdu for what feels like years. Yes the kdu mantra seems a bit over the type hype wise, yes dave may seem crazy but he is just a really enthusiastic dude and EXTREMELY loyal to those close to him creatively. Further what seems like propoganda and empty words to you guys, really is just more of an effort to put a message and concept behind the visuals made. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt but its about the motivation to at least try with the kdu.
I have not made a dime directly from the KDU and dont really need to, we have a pretty healthy client base and enough of a name to do just fine. The kdu is more like extra credit and the freedom and collaborative effort to make really restraint free work without the headache of clients that actually gets a decent amount of visibility. Son might take his gospel a bit overboard but really its just a bunch of stoked creatives on a variety of levels coming together when time permits to rock out some work for the love of it. Love it or leave it.
- So the KDU doesn't make any money or have any clients. Contrary to what son would like us to believe, interesting.thedriver
- emokid0
what's the kdu?
- this is a serious question.emokid
- I think this is partly the problem.. People expect something for nothing. If you don't know, don't really on biased opinions, find your own answer. Search that shit man...lifterBARON
- biased opinions. Find your own proof (answer). Search that shit man...lifterBARON