Anti-Rand
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- menos0
I've realized I'm not creating anything of real worth to people. You can argue all you want about the value of design and added-selling value, but I (and we) are creating garbage, detritus, noise. Not items people are moved by, feel emotion for, or want to keep and remember (art) but TRASH.
NeinPattern
(Nov 13 07, 11:43)I (me) might not be creating anything people will be moved by but there's a lot of things other poeple/designers have done that i would love to keep. Art is completely subjective and can also be considered TRASH... infact, many times it IS trash... i think that at least with design, there is some sort of purpose to it (whatever it may be!) as opposed to art which is solely an 'indulgence'...
- ukit0
Taking the piss=being a sarcastic bastard
- menos0
Taking the piss=being a sarcastic bastard
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ukit
(Nov 13 07, 11:52)or making a joke
- oldelpaso0
lol i actualyl thought u were taking the piss// :)
is this a solely british expression?
- johannes0
hey look: a design thread
- effort0
so, correct me if i'm wrong here, but he's saying that graphic design is (or should be) art and that making a living by doing client work is somehow the same as being darth vadar and thus artless?
sounds like the voice of a frustrated artist hiding behind academic sounding (typo/spelling error-ridden) rhetoric to me. i might be wrong, but i don't recall paul rand ever identifying as an artist; he was a "commercial artist" or graphic designer who was insanely talented.
not to mention that being an "artist" means selling your pretty pictures to the super rich and the super corporations of the world. how is that any different/better than being a graphic designer? either way, the MAN is paying the bills.
- menos0
is this a solely british expression?
oldelpaso
(Nov 13 07, 11:55)i'm not british, but only heard it while i lived in london... and given that many US AMERICANS don't know what it means, i'd say it pretty much belongs to them...
- capsize0
"dont worry mate, im justt taking the piss"
- ukit0
taking the piss
vb. Medical.
When one is asked to provide a urine sample at a hospital, clinic or doctor's surgery, one hands the jar to a nurse who is said to 'take the piss'.
I had to go to the clinic and the nurse took the piss out of me.
- menos0
effort
(Nov 13 07, 11:58)
- ukit0
Yeah NeinPattern this line of argument is going nowhere fast. You say that films and music cross over into art but design doesn't? For every Sopranos there is a Simple Life or Two and Half Men.
- menos0
effort
(Nov 13 07, 11:58)
menos
(Nov 13 07, 12:01)of course, the key words being "commercial artist" as the profession started out...
- effort0
which means what? i only used that term b/c that's what paul rand would have been originally called since he was there when this whole thing became a profession. today, he'd be called a graphic designer or an art director or whatever.
- menos0
effort,
i'm with, not against, you.
- capsize0
now of course, its different. evrything is for sale. Or, there's a plastic bag for everything on earth.
- capsize0
I'm with you too
- effort0
also, i'm happy to see a thread that actually deals with an issue related to design...
- menos0
also, i'm happy to see a thread that actually deals with an issue related to design...
effort
(Nov 13 07, 12:16)
- wunderbra0
the more faceless a client the better filled my bank account.
fucking weeeeee..
- flavorful0
10OSFA!