cryptome shutdown
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- Witt0
oh i see. thx.
* wears Grey coat. hands Nairn sunglasses.
- Nairn0
"..probably caused by slashdot, NT, etc, the server is not responing very well."
Brookoioioi
(May 2 07, 05:58)the dry wit is strong in you
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- Brookoioioi0
no, i mean i just really like that last paragraph of yours and may keep it for a signature.
Important stuff trying to be supressed follows :
"Bottom line, the Coast Guard was
asleep, they screwed up big time, the contractor knew they were
asleep, so they proceeded to rape the Coast Guard... A whistleblower
at Lockheed came forward (no, it wasn't me), the DHS-OIG investigated and found nothing, the DOJ investigated and uh... let just say that we will hear more about that later. Anyway, I figured out who they were pulling off the scam, and wrote a report, and then the report came out early this week (for the hearing mid week) the Coast Guard does an "oh-sh*t... we have been caught" and starts scrambling to do something ... anything between last week and the hearing date to show
they are trying to be proactive (hence then announcing that they just cancelled the Lockheed Contract). Lockheed on the other hand is screwed, and screwed bad. During the hearing they (as a company, and four of their senior executives) got caught dead committing perjury ...
and I mean they got caught dead."
- v-gates0
my signature?
ten times everything
- Brookoioioi0
You seem in this post to cite all the reasons why i believe sites like cryptome are invaluable to defenending our rights in a democracy. these issues are being pushed into the darkest corners of our society and people are just not waking up to the facts, without sites like cryptome government and corperate corruption will continue unchecked, is that what you really want?
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"fake piety, fake science, fake morality, fake honesty, fake religion, fake outrage. The corruption is real however."
my new sig. thanks ;)
- v-gates0
Sweet you still say "accountability" but who believes that? We are talking about stealing. The MSM has ben bought and paid for and they are not going to discuss much less investigate the corporate handouts the USA has been funding. Let me ask you this: where has all the war money gone? We hear about the cost but where exactly does it go?
Let's face it: we are in the late republic- a costly and profitable war, a necessary but unpopular war, fake piety, fake science, fake morality, fake honesty, fake religion, fake outrage. The corruption is real however.
- Brookoioioi0
Yes, i do understand the reasons why this kind of information is supressed. I agree in part with them, the Richard Welch case being a good example. But alot of the documents on cryptome are about things we have a valid right to know about. The Deepwater stuff that seems to be the reason for the shutdown for example, is not a case of protecting service people from danger, but protecting Lockheed et al from accountability.
- v-gates0
John Young is a courageous zealot- doing what previously only governments could do- namely trading in information that at very least inconveniences those who prefer to operate without the publics knowledge. There are three reasons why they like it secret: what they do is illegal somewhere, it is in the strategic interest, and, secrecy is a business, often murderous.
here's one problem of giving it away:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric…
- Brookoioioi0
v nice thanks ;) Having another one tonight!
- Brookoioioi0
Witt, i would ask you to read all posted docs, but it looks like due to heavy traffic, probably caused by slashdot, NT, etc, the server is not responing very well. So try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry…
for a quick intro.
- FrdmOfSpch0
how was your barbeque?
- Brookoioioi0
Belive me, i understand that somthing cannot be removed from the web once put there, but archives like cryptome allow for more people to access important, unfiltered (this is the key here i think) information. Wikipedia is not a good example of unfiltered information, as a previous cryptome document shows, they are blocking editors using tor anonymizers from contributing to documents, in essence blocking those who cannot speak out for fear of the reprisals if their identity was to become known.
I do not think it as acceptable to assume that people like John Young can provide services like this without public support, or that just because some of us know how to dig the deep web, we should be ok about this site being shut down.
- Witt0
what is cryptome and what is deepwater?
- v-gates0
Underground doesn't exist on the grid.
old school:http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
new school: http://www.cryptome.org
- Brookoioioi0
And heavy handed censorship is precisely what this is about.
- Brookoioioi0
This is possibly true, but it is not as simple as just finding any other isp. Another alternative posited on both cryptome and slashdot is that it will be driven underground. The NSA seemed to agree with you about keeping cryptome where it was so they could see what was being leaked, at least untill now.
- v-gates0
I'm pretty sure Mr. Young can find another ISP. This isn't the heavy hand of censorship. Besides, if the NSA had any sense they would host it themselves.
- Brookoioioi0
http://cryptome.org/cg-screwup.h…
fucking crazy
- Brookoioioi0
I got the reason for the shutdown wrong last night.
"A, you hit the nail on the head. The Deepwater expose, and attempts to conceal it, point to the prime suspect for the shutdown. Verio would not buckle for anything less, based on past practice, and are probably hoping the shutdown would be seen for what it really is: they've been ordered not to disclose anything which would call attention to the Deepwater material and its threat to national security."
from http://cryptome.org