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- HijoDMaite0
this guy?
- HijoDMaite0
from what I gathered so far I should buy: soundcard, then monitors, then something like this akai MPK above, then software.
- headphones too. I have a $60 pair of sennheisers right now.HijoDMaite
- start with the software/daw... you could download it and be making noise in a few minutes. then get the soundcard/monitors/k...sine
- ...monitors/keyboardsine
- idiots0
Headphones:
http://www.akg.com/site/products…
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Acoust…or
Monitors
http://www.alesis.com/monitorone…
http://www.google.com/products/c…Soundcard
http://www.m-audio.jp/products/e…
https://www.google.com/search?q=…Controller
http://www.akaipro.com/mpkmini
http://www.google.com/webhp?sour…now these aren't the best, they're just reviewed really well on the bottom end of the budget. I'd like to tell you to spend money on higher end headphones or some event 20/20 monitors, a 16 track firewire recording soundcard, and some crazy mega midi synth but you sound like a hobbyist just beginning so I tried to find you dependable affordable stuff
- perfect thanks for doing the legwork research manHijoDMaite
- i had done it for myself not too long agoidiots
- HijoDMaite0
- Did you notice what people buy after viewing that page?idiots
- yes now i did.HijoDMaite
- idiots0
you could buy a maschine mikro. I own one and love it. You get robust software, a huge sound library, and the controller all for $350, plus you're all legal and eligible for support if there are technical issues. You'd still want the other stuff we've mentioned but you'd have software, sounds, and a controller. I've met some people that this is all they use.
- idiots0
sine is right about getting the DAW first. I have another friend that only uses Ableton on a old IBM he bought from surplus, no new sound card yet, he listens to his mix through desktop computer speakers, but it doesn't stop him from playing and experimenting with tracks all the time.
- yeah, then once you get going get the keyboard and other stuff and bang out some hitssine
- HijoDMaite0
So Ableton Live is around $400. My girlfriend is going to love that, sorry baby you get no present this Christmas. :)
- tell her it's an investment in "our" futureidiots
- i have a free promotional copy of ableton live that i got with a soundcard a couple years ago...sine
- ... maybe look around for a package deal like that.sine
- ok thanks
HijoDMaite
- HijoDMaite0
HOLY SHIT!
maybe too 'glitchy' though
- you're going into a realm i work in known as controllerism, i got a link for you...idiots
- all done with Ableton though?HijoDMaite
- yeppaidiots
- beautifulsherm
- hans_glib0
wow - these are mad skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea…
to be honest you could pre-programme it in Reason, but wow...
- idiots0
- beatfader requires additional software for ableton from cycling 74 called max for liveidiots
- YES!HijoDMaite
- idiots0
I like this Jeremy Ellis better
- hans_glib0
^
- HijoDMaite0
look at these motherfuckers
- idiots0
HijoDMaite,
I wanted to explain something about that controller, all controllers actually.
It's all in how you set it up. You could program ableton to put an entire drum rack across the piano keys so each key is a different drum sound, you could think of each octave as different kit when you set it up so every C is a kick and every c# is a snare and so on.
then the drum pads could be split between triggering scenes and the other half programmed to have all notes in key with each other so no matter the pattern you'd write melodies that stayed in key.
then the knobs can also be used to control volume pitch etc, 2 knobs can simulate an XY pad manipulating the modulation and pitch of a sample loop or intsrument the same way korgs xy pads work on their padkontrol and nano series models.
i guess what i'm saying is don't think you have to play the drums with the pads or melodies with the piano keys and adjust levels with the knobs. the beat fader shown above can be set to a knob, i've done it, it's nuts and hard to use, but i know it works.
i think the first rule of controllerism, if there are any, is fuck the rules, i'll program my controller as i see fit.
midi for life™
- hans_glib0
what i don't get is why these guys play the stuff this way? I mean the skills are wild but to be honest it seems a lot of wasted effort....
I can see it's more of a performance thing, and I guess it allows you to vary what you're doing on the fly, but why not record the various sections and then call them up as you need them?
But then I'm a Reason user with no skills... but with the ability to programme. I also use ReCycle to record and carve up drum and music samples and then build stuff on top.
- really? so there's a "right" way to express yourself through music? seems narrow mindedidiots
- re: beatfader; the guy performing with it above is the one who wrote the software to make it workidiots
- so he's talented on both levelsidiots
- no of course there's no right way... just curious as to why they chose that way. i use reason because i have no skillhans_glib
- from my exp. i can keep a beat better with beat fader (1 handed) than trying to tap padsidiots
- but beat fader does lack velocity sensitivity, i like it because it's a brand new way to play an old intrumentidiots
- like wacoms over mice or somethingidiots
- yeah i guess the lack of velocity sensitivity would make it sound more programmed, but then if you were calling in other stuff over the top it might not noticehans_glib
- or hand drumming over the top it might not notice. and half the work is being done for youhans_glib
- plus as mentioned earlier, you can add the midi velocity randomizer to the instrumentidiots
- HijoDMaite0
@sine doesn't this look like the package you are talking about? This says that it comes with "Ableton Live Lite"
- my box said it came with live lite 4 but the disc inside was live lite 6, i never installed it thoughidiots
- yes, that's one of them. i know most of the m-audio products ship with ableton live lite.sine
- that's a very good entry-level sound interface btw. costs around $250... http://www.turntable…sine
- Ableton live lite cuts your experience to 8 tracks. A good starting point/place to get addicted :)joshtrix
- HijoDMaite0
@ sine
I might just go ahead and order this tomorrow. If I have a brand new MBP and headphones I should be ok to start practicing?
- ApeRobot0
Mpc2000xl
Ableton
Apc40
Cheap m-audio midi keyboard.Got some other stuffs , but thats what i use mainly
- you bought full version of Ableton?HijoDMaite
- Ableton Suite 8.2 baby :/idiots
- nah, did'nt buy the full version, i use a cracked version. I'm poor. :)ApeRobot
- ...i forgot to mention , the turntable an the records. :)ApeRobot
- idiots0
- i saved you monies :D lots :D:D:Didiots
- enough for the controller :D:D:D:Didiots
- that second one says "G Live Lite" that means "Ableton Live Lite"?HijoDMaite
- yeah, it says further down in the description it's Abeleton Live Liteidiots
- and i should be ok with my new mac i hopeHijoDMaite