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- KuzII0
para it's the one called The Root of all Evil presented by the world renowned Richard Dawkins. i think it's on at 8pm on Monday on Channel 4.
- discipler0
Oh man i don't remember that one, but anything regarding the Geologic Column, or Uniformitarianism, can be found here:
- flagellum0
heh, you're a sharp one there, pavlov. Here, go learn more about your alleged mammals who went back to live in the sea:
http://www.ideacenter.org/conten…
scroll down a bit.
- xenicon0
the undesigned designer?
- JazX0
Smote is what I use for @sscream
:O
- -sputnik-0
is that what happened w/the count, mimio?
- JazX0
I don't know? some kind of snide remark about bending back and forth who knows?
- Mimio0
The vast majority of the scientific community obviously disagrees with you. They apparently don't find the claims of ID compelling enough to restructure science itself to include superntural events/entities.
- JazX0
You may well imagine that we will at some times differ. But it is because of your clear and cogent explanations of your viewpoints that I am able to understand why some people hold opinions and values different from my own, and how their experiences have produced what seems to them reasonable beliefs.
Because you do this, and do not simply rant at me... I can appreciate and understand and respect those ideas, even when I do not agree with them. And it does happen, rather often actually, that you convince me that I don't know what I am talking about and that yours is the correct understanding.
- Mimio0
I don't know discipler, one munite it calls Lot a "righteous man" and a few chapters later he's offering his daughters up sexually to a angry mob, and few chapters later he sleeps with both of them himself.
- cosmo0
poor kuz he angered the big Q again.
- balboa0
TheTick: Well put and I totally agree with you.
But let's not get sucked into the trap of our repeated defense validating the attacker's assertions.
Escalation is not necessarily the answer, no matter how passionate we are about our POV.
Ignorance is not the answer either. I'm just advocating moderation and the pitfalls of philosophical jiu-jitsu.
- discipler0
look here, as well jazX:
- paraselene0
kuz, darling, if you want to be considered a legitimate resident of this nation, you should take a page out of my book, entitled "The Taming of the True: British Sarcasm Demystified."
;)
- flagellum0
Look, let's just summarize the actual hard facts and everybody can go away and digest them. *Forgive me for repeating myself in these points:
1. The fossil record shows the sudden appearance of all major phyla during the Cambrian era and then stasis.
2. The fossil record lacks any transitional forms between species. i.e. flight birds, appear as flight birds. Turtles appear as turtles, mammalian hominids appear as fully formed hominids. No intermediates leading up to these, just sudden appearance.
3. Natural Selection + Unguided Mutation has never been shown to provide information-gaining change. Only loss of information. The most it can do is provide adaptation within an existing species. i.e. bird beak changes, etc... It has never been shown to produce large scale changes and on the molecular level, has been shown to be incapable of building cellular machinery which requires all of it's parts at once, to function (cannot be assembled gradually).
4. We see the hallmarks of design everywhere. From the 4 letter digital nucleotide code on the spine of the DNA molecule to the rotary turbines, transport shuttles and other mind boggling machines in the cell. Design is replete in living systems.
5. The age of the earth and carbon dating is far from conclusive - from 30 year old pig's teeth being called hominid teeth, to a geologic column which shows layers that should be on the bottom, on top and fossils that "should" be on the bottom, on mountaintops. Again, a secondary issue.
6. Precision fine-tuning of the physical constants, i.e. gravity tuned to minute tolerance to keep us from flying off the planet and keep us from being squashed to death, and perfect positioning from the sun and moon to support organic life. Any slight tweak in either direction and we wouldn't be here.
etc.. etc..
*gasps for air
- DrHuxtable0
This may have been the link I saw earlier, but I am not positive. Anyway, the papers I looked through did not exactly support ID or attempt to prove evolution. They pretty much stated something along the lines of: this does not fit in with what we believed was the case before. Maybe I don't get it, but I am sure that science progresses in this manner. No?
Your apparent knowledge of ID, and the complexities of science you seem to understand must be consuming. You must spend a lot of your free time researching the subject since your field is graphic design? I'll try and look through some of these again if I can find some time. My lab looks at things on a macro level, and not related to ID at all, really.
Again though, I want to ask: If ID is so obvious, why is there such a fight for legislation to force it to be in school curriculum? Other theorie currently accepted did not seem to have this problem.
- JazX0
Whoah, Kuz got clipped.(again)
Mimio
(Jan 5 06, 08:18)yeah he called JK a Right Wing something..
tisk tisk
- discipler0
Out of context. Poor exegesis. -5.
And I thought this thread was about the Darwinian myth?
- Mimio0
No xenicon, it's magic that lies behind "irreducibly complex" machine. You see, the designer is made out of "irreducibly complex" machines too.