Self-taught designers
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- fate_redux
Does this surprise anyone coming from AIGA?
- Template0
What a bunch of idiocy.
- dan_dan_dan0
Nope. No Surprise. Why do you ask?
- dan_dan_dan0
Are you a self-taught designer Template?
- Template0
No Im not self taught. But I know many talented artists who are.
- kbags0
Puh-leeze. I'm not generally a spiteful or vulgar person, but I would seriously whip my c0ck out and smear my three-week-old ball sweat all over the forehead of the a$$hole who wrote that if he knocked on my door.
That is the biggest bunch of bullsh*t I have ever read. Duder should go live in communist China and then complain about desktop computer empowerment taking away his wah-wah jobs, f@ckface a$$hole. AAGH, FOCK.
Kill yourself.
- setsolid0
i don't think where u learn design matters as much as your work.
your education go as far as your work can go... and your work goes as far as where you push your own education.
- dan_dan_dan0
And not all designers with degrees are the enemy either.
Having two degrees, I know full well there are loads of shit designers being pumped out of Universities world wide.
There is enough truth to go around on both sides of this argument.
What counts is knowing where you stand in it all, and just forgetting all the bullshit.
- setsolid0
but i do belive degree open lots of new doors for you.
- fate_redux0
well said dan_dan_dan.
- dan_dan_dan0
A degree will only open doors if you look for them.
A degree will not do shit for you other than BE THERE.
It can't get you a job. You have to get the job.
They don't just hire degrees, they hire people.
Part of what makes a good studio good, is the good people in that studio.
Good people hire other good people. Fuck a good designer, you can be good and be a prick; I wont hire you.
- spongebob0
d3 is on a roll today for justice eh.
- dan_dan_dan0
I think it's more a 'principle' thing, rather than justice.
Maybe the slappers thing is justice. Fuck them.
- kbags0
Totally, but for AIGA to poo-poo on people who didn't study design is completely egregious and self-serving to no end. Then, to attempt to strengthen that argument via allegations that entrepreneurism & technological advancement are to blame for the oh-so-sad plight of the elitist designer (in a thriving economy, btw), makes me want to reach through my beautiful 19" LCD and rip this guy's throat out.
I mean seriously, there are impressionable young kids out there who are deciding what to do with their lives based on this jerkoff's opinion? Did that dude study entrepreneurism? Did he study technology and information systems? Does he know anything about microeconomics? Or is he as much of a business ignoramus as I am a designer hack? well, we'll just have to wait for his next brilliant installment. Oh, the anticipation! fizz.
(that said, i genuinely tip my hat to most anybody who has a degree in design, let alone two, but isn't an elitist. in my experience, your class represents the very best the design community has to offer.)
- kbags0
and d3, you're solid gold.
you have great perspective, thank you.
- blackspade0
they might as well give degrees out on the back of cereal boxes as far as im concerened
absolute crap
i work at a University and see what the design department pumps out
- dan_dan_dan0
I appreciate that kbags. It's frustrating for me sometimes to be in the middle of it all.
I value the truths in both arguments.
Maybe it has something to do with me being a libra.
- dan_dan_dan0
There you go. blackspade sees it first hand.
So have I. However, it's not true in all cases of an education.
Are you going to attend REVOLUTION at start of June blackspade?
- blackspade0
so basically, it is impossible to teach ones-self to anywhere near the extent of a 'paid' degree ??
right.
- kbags0
well, not necessarily, the key is to graduate AND pay AIGA dues, and then you're VanGogh.
It's too bad Vinnie's dues weren't paid until his family sold his estate after he died though because he could've worked for one of the elite 19th century expressionist ad agencies and made the big bucks.
okay i gotta leave this thread now...d3, blackspade, you guys rule!
- dan_dan_dan0
"it is impossible to teach ones-self to anywhere near the extent of a 'paid' degree ?"
NOT, true.
I hate to do it, but a prime example of this is James Victore.
It's not JUST about getting a degree. Telling potential design students that could fail them.
It's about first, being well tuned to what design IS, then it's finding the right educational institute.
I would venture to say, there are several Design Education courses out there that would do more harm than good.
There is a balance to all this. It's important to understand that.