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- Redfish777
Over the last 3-4 years, we've been developing scores of websites using Sitefinity. Recently they've announced some price increases for the small business edition (actually doing away with it) so we're looking for some options for our smaller clients. For the larger instances, we still believe that they are a good option at this point.
As an ad agency, we prefer to use some of the more trusted options. Open source is on the table as well (we have stayed away from these for the most part).
1. What affordable paid CMS systems do you recommend?
2. How would you rank the leaders in open source?
3. Is this Internet thing really going to last or is it just a phase?Thanks in advance and cheers.
- section_014-4
Why is your username green?
- fadein111
"3. Is this Internet thing really going to last or is it just a phase?"
This deserves its own thread.
- ESKEMA5
I mainly use Concrete5. It's open source and recommend it.
Why the "hate" for OS? Security reasons?Leaders in OS CMS would have to be Drupal and Wordpress.
- ETM3
Paid and on constant dev:
ExpressionEngine
CraftCMSFree or almost free:
CMS Made Simple
Pulse CMSI've never known one CMS to fit all projects. Most things we do are either ExpressionEngine for mid to large projects and CMS Made Simple for smaller ones.
All that said, Sitefinity is .Net, yes? And almost everything in that environment seems to cost money.
- Cosmodrome1
I use concrete5 and love it. The main reason I use it is because all of our clients come to us after hating their Drupal/Wordpress site. They love the interface and editing features of c5. Some of them get pretty involved and advanced with it, which is always encouraging.
- hows the project flexibility, modules, scalability. is it for large medium clients?yurimon
- I've used it for small to medium clients. The modules (add-ons) are a bit skimpy at the moment because of the major update in version 5.7. But they'll get thereCosmodrome
- I just don't see anything you can't do with it. And I'm a bit of a hack developer. It's just so intuitive for design flexibility, development and client use.Cosmodrome
- interesting, thankspockets
- Redfish777-3
Thanks for all the feedback. Hey, someone was even helpful enough to tell me about this Google thing. It's pretty darn cool! And here I was wasting my time asking Jeeves and cruising Altavista.
- spot130
While I like Concrete5, I think the community is lacking somewhat compared to the bigger projects like Wordpress and Drupal and I'm not sure it has the legs to move out from under the rock it seems to be stuck under. Since WP 4, I can't find any reason not to use Wordpress for content management, it's fast, secure and nimble. It works for sites as large and involved as CNN & Forbes: (https://wordpress.com/notable-u... and as small and ineffective as the Greek government:(http://www.primemini...
- http://www.primemini…spot13
- Yup.ArmandoEstrada
- WP secure? Maybe the core has greatly improved but the addons, even from some of the better developers, are a nightmare.ETM
- ^ don't use the dodgy ones then.fadein11
- I believe it's the most secure CMS out there, just secure it properly and you'll be finespot13
- doesnotexist1
why not wordpress?
- Initially we didn't want to deal with all of the updates and security issues.Redfish777
- caseyz0
Things we consider when we create a CMS site are client and project scope/scalability. That being determined, we build alot with Wordpress or Joomla. Wordpress always seems less intimidating to the end user, while Joomla's core focus is on content and not blogging.
- Wordpress core focus hasn't been blogging for years now.fadein11
- fate0
WordPress is absolute shit for security. Perhaps the worst piece of software to become popular on the web since Internet Explorer.
It's also horrible for long term planning and support, a nightmare of an API to customize and extend, just an all around horrible CMS.
I never allow any client to stick with WordPress.
- <ETM
- complete bullshitdoesnotexist
- Wordpress is easy and the mutts nuts for small to medium sites.fadein11
- Correction, I think you are absolute shit for security. If you have WP security problems, you're the problem.spot13
- spot13, bullshit. It's a joke. I've built and managed dozens of WordPress site. Hardly a week goes by without a major security alert or critical update.fate
- The flaws in WordPress are glaring and enormous. Open directories. Vulnerable plugin architecture. Poor permissions. All around an insecure piece of shit.fate
- And if you think you haven't had WP security problems, you probably have and
don't even realize it. You're probably hacked.fate
- fate-2
I want to say this again: WordPress is not secure. It's horrible for security. It is an absolute joke.
- 'Splain Lucy.ArmandoEstrada
- bullshitdoesnotexist
- You are doing it wrong!fadein11
- ^ thisspot13
- rootlock1
Paid:
Expression Engine
Craft CMSFREE
SilverstripeSilverstripe is really growing on my since you have the option to build custom pages/features within a mvc framework. Although it is a little half baked and the form module kinda sucks.
I'm not a big fan of wordpress, but have done a few projects with it. Nothing scalable about it and lacks any kind of conventions.
- fate0
To doesnotexist and spot13: WordPress is so fucking insecure.
Open directories. Cross-site scripting vulnerabilities. A plugin architecture that constantly endangers sites. Piss poor theme and plugin developers that constantly introduce critical issues.
The whole fucking platform has to be constantly updated because it's such a piece of shit.
Seems like every day there's a new zero-day exploit or update or patch that you HAVE to install or else your site will get raped.
And it will get raped.
I've managed and built dozens and dozens of WordPress sites. I've had to harden lots of installs, fix directory permissions, constantly keep up with updates, install Sucuri, install SiteGuard.
I've dealt with the hacks, in all their myriad forms. I've written regex's to search code for exploits, cleansed databases, locked down comments, pingbacks, fought plugins, themes.
Been there, done that.
It's a full time fucking job just trying to stay ontop of all the ways WordPress can fuck you over on a day to day basis.
Do not use it.
Still don't believe me? Go onto the 2600 Facebook page and ask them what they think of WordPress. See what they have to say. :)
- yes, but it still gets the job done for millions of sites and its strength is in numbers. everything is hackable in one way or another, anyway.Milan
- ask NSA what they think of your secretsMilan
- still don't believe youdoesnotexist
- Since when is something being popular equate good?ETM
- LOL go on to Facebook to discuss security of websites.MrT
- You obviously have never heard of 2600fate
- You only hear about Wordpress vulnerabilities because it is so popular and such a target for hackers. Some of the competition are worse.fadein11
- Redfish7770
Our development team is giving favorable nods to Concrete5 and looking at Wordpress again. Thanks to all for your feedback.
The office debate now is "how long it is going to take before agency web building is an obsolete/commodity service" now that "clients" are all experts. Hoping we've still got a window of a few years to continue to make some decent revenue on it. Although the freelancers are popping up at every turn.