Israel bombing shit..
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- imagineallthepeople0
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"Eager to hear Israel's cheerleaders defend the bombing of a hospital."
"Why everyone let them do what they want like it's normal?"
because it is normal. this is what normally happens when a regular army goes against a densely populated area, if you let an army loose in such an environment. what normally happens is carnage.
apart from the fact that hospitals, ambulances, mosques, etc. are used by hamas for military purposes, which makes them 'legal' targets instantly. apart from that, you have to expect shit going wrong in war, especially in this kind of environment. as terrible at it is, this is what normally happens. SNAFU. can't be avoided. war sucks. shouldn't be a suprise to anybody.
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the only thing not normal here is that usually the leadership of a densely populated area wouldn't let it come to this point. normally they would posess a sense of responsibility for the safety of their citizens and consequently and give in to the terms of the superior military opponent to avoid human suffering and dead children, to avoid the carnage. the terms of the israelis are simple: stop firing at us.
hamas has refused every single proposal for cease fire, they still refuse now, after 13 days of carnage. apart from that they have of course violated every humanitarian cease fire that the israelis respected.
you have to conclude that hamas does not want to stop the children of gaza to die, like everybody else does. because if they would want to stop the children of gaza to die, they would accept a cease fire. they could end the bombings immediately.
so, maybe hamas + friends are not insane, but they are cynic as fuck, that's for sure. while they know that they can't win militarily, they know that they can maybe win the PR war. hamas needs these children to die for their PR campaign.
that is why responsible people and media are hesitant to acknowledge the brutality in the way that hamas wants. which is of course to blame israel for killing civilans and violating human rights. if you buy into the hamas narrative, you do your own little part in their PR war. if the world refused to buy into that shit, hamas would have no reason not to stop the carnage.
- dconstrukt-2
of course israel is the bad one.... wait. who broke the cease fire and kidnaps a soldier?
- no read news, yes? no clue about the actual events, yes? repeating talking points overheard over water cooler, yes?pr2
- yes?pr2
- Good citizen.set
- who broke the ceasefire? hamas.dconstrukt
- Lol repeat repeat repeatset
- facts dont lie fool.dconstrukt
- ernexbcn0
^ that was terrible comparison
- I know, borderline retarded.detritus
- ^omg
- sorrry, you need an IQ over 50 to get it... same point... you guys are saying we took their land - it was won in war.... and we even gave them back part of the land as a goodwill gesture.dconstrukt
- e-pill-3
im israeli..
do you all want to kill me?
oi??
what the fuckinging helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll? ? ?
if so then lets bleed your bloodline dry!!!
go fuck all of yourselfs!!! i hope i meet you one day so i can end your blodd line you fucking pussies!!!\
fuck off!
i hope to meet you in life..
- you are related to 8 million Israelis? damn your grandpa was a player.pr2
- reanimate0
- oooh but that was just a honest mistake, you know what I meanGeorgesII
- hmmm..ohhhhhsnap
- imagineallthepeople0
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"I think that's the point, they are being denied a life, their home, rights, food, water"
- eoinyes, the conditions are inhumane but you're blaming the wrong side (which you eloquently described as "Israel, a nation of scum")
perhaps you don't remember how life in gaza was like before the israelis handed over the gaza administration to arafat 20 years ago, what life was like there before sharon pulled out of gaza completely (including all settlements) and hamas won the election. when the israelis were responsible gaza at least had electricity, fuel, water, food, jobs. after the palestinians took over, every single deterioration in quality of life for gaza along the way can be attributed to one of their aggressions (you call it resistance). the people in gaza will be fucked as their leaders don't come to term with the historic reality. a good role model would be the 17 million displaced germans after WW2, they dealed with their nakba much more productively and got it out of their system after one or two generations.
- ohhhhhsnap0
been a while since i've had a visceral reaction to anything.
http://birthrightphotos.tumblr.c…- i hope you realize this is all shoppedadded_valium
- i know it's shopped.ohhhhhsnap
- imagineallthepeople-1
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"Random question, are they televising whats happening in Gaza on Israeli media? Is there a left-wing media that's opposed to this? I've read that there's somewhere around 90% support from the Israeli public. I have a hard time believing that number would be so large if people were seeing the death."sorry, don't know much about israeli media, i'm not an israeli, can't read hebrew. what I do know is that there is left-wing media in israel that don't go along with the pack. check out haaretz for example. their coverage is contrary to the official line, I would definitely call their reporting anti-israeli biased. can't tell how widespread their views are though.
they do seem to have somewhat of a public opposition, conscientious objectors, people that are vehemently opposed to the uglyness of occupation and military engagements. pacifists. also a small number of members of parliament that are vocally anti-war/pro palestinian, I guess mostly arab MPs. I don't know for sure, but I would expect that these are only fringe groups, would be very suprised if not at least 75% of israelis wouldn't stand behind their gov and army during this time.
I do think that pal civilian casualties are reported in israeli media, but perhaps not as much as in western media or arab media. however I doubt that anybody in israel doesn't know about the shredded children, but I guess they accept it as a consequence of hamas strategy and as the price that israel has to pay for defending itself.
they also seem to be well aware about the international view on israel, but again, from their perspective it's unfair and doesn't make sense, so they can only shrug it off.
maybe someone from israel can chip in to provide some real insight. I think addedvalium is listed with a tel-aviv location in his profile.
- benfal990
things are escalating so quickly
- benfal990
lets hope the bombing and killing is over
- pressplay0
Cygnus, »this sort of thing never happens in the US« because the US goes abroad to bomb things. Here’s a little list for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim…
And to educate you on another issue, the USA are not the most populated country in the world. It »might be« that you have heard of countries named China and India, but I doubt that...
One thing the US is number one though is military expenditure (640 Bn. $), so much for »everyone and their grandmother making bombs« »over there«- pressplay on pointohhhhhsnap
- Where's the play button?Maaku
- lowimpakt0
sorry, dud link. the video is jon snow, a well respected british journalist, talking about his return from gaza
- detritus0
As in Israel herself, some Jews have decided to lay claim to a territory vastly larger than they have a right to — the entirety of Semitism.
To be ‘anti-semitic’ in this debate would therefore be anti-Palestinian too...
- Fuck the lot of you. Fuck you, and you — and you over there. Fuck me too. Fuck all of us, each and every one.detritus
- imagineallthepeople-3
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"So one minute it's sharing information - all be it post after post if pro Israel propaganda. There's a difference between what is information and what is biased propaganda"if a new york times report (not an opionion, not an editorial), and the new yorker piece is propaganda to you, but a guardian op-ed isn't, i can't help you with that. good luck.
maybe take the personal stuff towards me and the thread policing stuff somewhere else now, it's off-topic and slowly getting nowhere.
thank you.
- Personal stuff? Who was telling people to fuck off and suck lizards dick?babaganush
- The guardian piece was a response to the fact you incessantly bump the thread with pro Israel articles...babaganush
- Which TOGETHER become propaganda...babaganush
- Off topic? Last I hear Israel was ' bombing less shit' hence why you perpetuating this thread is absurdbabaganush
- GeorgesII0
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I betcha that in 2 months it will be all forgotten
- reanimate0
^ I've heard almost everyone on the pro Israel side repeating the same line you are repeating.
The question is, if military retaliation doesn't make Hamas stop and simply provides them with a PR victory, why do it in the first place?
- yurimon0
- they have Kangaroos in Israel? i thought they were native to Australiaautoflavour
- pablo280
*my last bump on this thread
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