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if you can code DW is the shit. But no one that I know that can code use it.
I love Coda 2, but I'm not doing anything super complicated and am fine hand coding. The code hinting is pretty decent though.
I code in almost everything including Obj-C, java etc and I use it non-stop. The reason coders don't use it because of their inertnest and the fact that they live in time of 10 years ago and don't want to change/adopt.
That's why I always have problems with coders and their deadlines. They are just slow as shit and don't nearly do as many things as they should in time.
If you are a good coder you want to be most productive and doing everything in text editors that don't have 1/3rd of Dreamweaver's capabilities just makes you slow and unproductive.
Sublime Text 2 + CodeKit is more powerful for my uses than DW.
All I do is html and css. Dreamweaver visual editor write shit markup that I have to go and hand fix so i say why bother and write it myself. don't get me wrong i like code hints and custom snippets but DW never did it for me. Just starting a project is a multi step process vs coda's 1 step.
"Dreamweaver is the best HTML/PHP/JS/Mobile IDE to date"
HAHAHAAH What the fuck am I reading?
"If you are a good coder you want to be most productive and doing everything in text editors that don't have 1/3rd of Dreamweaver's capabilities just makes you slow and unproductive."
He doesn't know about tab activated snippets or the scripting capabilities of a decent text editor.
Seriously man just because you don't understand how to use something like Textmate/ST2/Emacs correctly doesn't mean that Dreamweaver is more powerful.
- true, but I know coders that spend more time messing with that shit and writing git deploys, they can't knock out the substandard shite that'skingsteven
- substandard bread and butter design studio balls.kingsteven
- for someone who obviously never used DW you sure have a lot of shitty opinons.monolith
- used it years ago, then realised better things exist.
- You should be on the Adobe payroll Bozanimatedgif
- me too used it many years ago, never went back...(to be continued)i_was
i hated DW in the past, MM days. But i hear a LOT of good things about the current one.
Iam not a coder so DW is my main tool to create website since 1998.
I like it.
Here's a challenge for you DW haters, take a 4 page Word document from a client, and paste it into your text editors. How many of them retained all formatting, links and images in well-written HTML?
- And by haters I mean animatedgifaaux
- Well written HTML?? If you like arbitrary inline CSS.ETM
- Not hating on DW. But this is not a feature to make an argument.ETM
- I wouldn't be taking a 4 page word document from a client....see_thru
- see_thru, can I join you in the magical world of make believe clients you live in?aaux
But sooooo much garbage code comes from doing that. Even with the automated "Word Cleanup" feature. The horrors of the garbage inline styles from Word.
aaux and ETM are both right....
the MS-Turd -> DreamBeaver method is good in the case where the account staff has promised something before noon, and you get the files at, say 11:30....
Pasting a word document would add <h1> <h2> <p> etc. ?
I've had pretty good luck with the code it creates. You just gotta be sure to set the options for how much formatting to take in. You can specifically tell it to not do anything beyond basic bold, italic, headings, etc...
"Here's a challenge for you DW haters, take a 4 page Word document from a client, and paste it into your text editors. How many of them retained all formatting, links and images in well-written HTML?"
Why would you want to do this? Just get your client to supply you the document in a sensible format in the first place. Learn how to deal with your clients better...
- HTML converted from a word doc
- well-written HTML
i_was is hanging himself...after he takes a nap.
"Just get your client to supply you the document in a sensible format in the first place. Learn how to deal with your clients better..."
Love that response. Just get perfect clients who do everything perfect, that's all there is to it.
Noticed you didn't actually respond to the question, any luck pasting that into Emacs?
- answer to the question, if it's only 4 pages I'd just copy and paste it. Would take 4 minutes topsanimatedgif
- But when I request content from clients I provide the specs for them so I've never encountered this situationanimatedgif
- basics really aauxanimatedgif
- You dont' do much work with actual people, I take it.aaux
- 4 minutes to format a 4 page document? Heh, you are a gnome or something, right?aaux
- you don't have much experience with real business I take it.animatedgif
- State what format you want content in and if its wrong you send it back and say you can't use itanimatedgif
Long story short, try them all and use which one enables you to do your work in the way you want.
so glad I'm a designer and not a web coder