Colorado theater shooting...
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- shade0
people are evil... even with more regulation this loon would have acquired those weapons.
don't live in denial. be stronger and less naive.
- zaq0
- WTF?!goldieboy
- Guns don't kill. People do.monospaced
- i remember this vid, think its in Saudi Amoldero
- @ first i thought it was a narco partymoldero
- That murderous baby would have killed no matter what...ukit2
- knocked the kid outdbloc
- I read it was a narco party too.ernexbcn
- dead?mnk_b
- from that entry point and distance.... gotta be dead....pango
- formed0
I was on the line between pro/against until this.
I am a gun owner, have been all my life (got my first at 12). I still love them.
HOWEVER, as far as I can see, ALL of the recent killing rampages have been done with 100% legal guns, obtained legally, etc. This is a big problem, imho, and the only way to solve it is to take the guns out of the equation.
Would this guy have gotten them elsewhere? Maybe, maybe not. He's NOT a criminal (prior to this of course), so he doesn't have easy access to illegal arms.
Would he have used a knife? As albums points out, maybe he would have, but surely he would have been stopped very quickly and not stabbed 70+ people!!It'll never happen, this country can't agree on the things that we all agree on (economy, foreign policy, etc.). There will never be a 'unified' country, not with the extremes being promoted so regularly these days (even though it is all smoke and mirrors).
So, I'll probably go buy a gun to keep in my safe, so when the next "normal" person snaps, which will inevitably happen, I'll be able to protect myself.
I certainly don't worry about "criminals". It's all the people shouting "if more people had guns someone would have stopped him" bs that scares me. No, that terrifies me.
People are stupid, emotional, naive, careless and selfish. And that's the good ones. They will always be this way. Has nothing to do with education, ethnicity, religion, politics, etc., etc. It's just humanity and it ain't gonna change.
- I never understood the false sense of security of having a gun in your safe...fooler
- if someone breaks into your house do you think you'll have time to get to your gun safe and protect your property?fooler
- I'm guessing that if he figured out how to acquire explosives, a gun wouldn't be beyond his means.melq
- It'd take about 30 seconds to get it out of the safe, so not really a do/die delay.formed
- I'd rather have a delay than someone break in and steal it easilyformed
- If good people are "stupid, emotional, naive, careless", and with fragile egos and a strong sense of entitlement, is it really that wise to also give them easy access to guns?Peter
- ... that wise to also give them easy access to guns? When emotions can take over, override common sense, and make you do things you normally wouldn't consider?Peter
- ... things you normally wouldn't consider?Peter
- monkeyshine0
I'm mixed about gun control. In part because it seems Pandora has long been out of the box and I'm not sure it's possible to even go back to a 'no gun' country. Having grown up in the south (and very comfortable with guns), I know that criminals are less inclined to break into a home of someone they know or suspect might be armed.
However, I think it's ridiculous that the NRA has such a hold on our government and that we don't have a ban on assault rifles. It defies logic.
And the people I'm most afraid of are the yahoo's who say, 'if I had been armed in that theatre or office or school...maybe this wouldn't have happened. I learned how to shoot at an early age and I'm pretty good but I'm smart enough to realize that I don't know how I would react in such a stressful situation. I might be trained to shoot a gun but I am not trained in handling a gun in duress. I'd rather take my chances with one person with a gun than some dumb yahoo who might be peeing his pants and firing away.
- ukit20
Reminds me of this story
Saudi Toddler Kills Father over PlayStation
- crazy! that article contradicts itself, "accidentally" but over a playstationmoldero
- yeah...the playstation story doesn't really need to be in there. It just added more excitement to the title.dbloc
- Accidently killed over PS. MEANT to kill over XBoxlocustsloth
- monkeyshine0
Bill Moyers very elegant and spot-on response:
- CygnusZero40
- "Who says 'cheers'?" Yes, of course, "cheers" – common e-mail parlance– is what alerted you to his pervertedness.Gucci
- lost me at http://www.foxmoldero
- Ameicans dont say cheers. It is a little odd to be honest, but it wouldnt raise any flags.CygnusZero4
- Sounds like the guy is just using that as something to bring up after the fact.CygnusZero4
- agreed.Gucci
- lowimpakt0
the arms industry and/or military industrial complex has an effective lobby group in the NRA.
- nb0
Idea: what if america banned the bullets for these assault rifles like the AR-15, instead making ONLY rubber bullets available for sale?
Could that work? The gun people could keep their guns for target practice, and it would be much more difficult to shoot up a public place. Yes, people could probably find illegal bullets or make their own, but it would be more difficult than it is now.
Obviously there would be opposition from some people, but at least they wouldn't be able to make the "but I use it for fun, not killing" argument.
Maybe this is a ridiculous idea. I've never used rubber bullets, don't really know much about them.
- CygnusZero40
Banning anything is irrelevant. Weed is banned and how many millions of people do it? How many people have weapons that are not registered? A hell of a lot. Banning weapons or ammo would make no difference. People will still get them through illegal means.
There are FAR more murders with illegal weapons than ones that are registered. People are the problem, not weapons. Most people that have registered weapons have them for sport, in their homes only for protection, or just enjoy target practice. You think most thugs killing people have registered weapons? They would never get through the approval process.
They do background checks. You have any prior arrests you arent getting approved, yet thugs still get weapons. That will never end, and its the same all around the world. This has nothing to do with laws in the US. This guy is obviously a very rare case.
If he couldnt get guns legally, he could almost as easily got them illegally. It's not hard. He was determined and laws would not have stopped him.
- CygnusZero40
The only thing a ban would have done to this guy is slow down him trying to obtain 6000 round of ammo like he did, but he didnt fire off even remotely close to that much, so Im not even sure why he got that much ammo.
In 1.5 minutes in a theater there is no way he got off more than 200 rounds, and its known he spent time shooting a shotgun as well, so I would be shocked if he fired much more than a 100. Anyone can get that amount easily illegally.
- your comments are freaking me out and not in a good waymonospaced
- It's reality. You want to kill people, laws wont stop that. Im sick of people talking about gun laws. They're irrelevant.CygnusZero4
- Guns aren't, thoughformed
- slowin down would be helpfull no?neverscared
- i_monk0
Toronto has had three public shootings in the last two months – 19 injured and two killed at a Scarborough block party, six injured and one killed at the Eaton Centre food court, and one inured one killed at a Euro2012 viewing at a packed Little Italy pub – and all three were gang related (the last one a motorcycle gang). The guns are coming to Canada illegally from the US, and nobody on either side of the border is doing enough to stop the trade.
Gun violence has EVERYTHING to do with laws and enforcement.
- CygnusZero40
Yep. Laws sure did a lot to stop illegal drugs around the world. Are people really this naive? Apparently so.
You really think if a hardcore ban on guns was implemented in the US that it would stop gun violence? Come on now. Most of the gun violence in the US is done with unregistered weapons.
The same exact way Canada gets guns illegally is the same way the US gets them. It's a cycle that is literally impossible to stop. The guy that did this theater shooting has registered weapons, but a law would not have stopped him from doing this. He could have easily just made a homemade bomb and brought that in through that emergency exit.
Weapons are not the problem, people are. Stop blaming this on laws. Laws dont stop people from doing what they're determined to do.
- mnk_b0
why shoot other people when you can shoot yourself?
- inteliboy0
You shouldn't be able to walk into a corner shop and buy a duffle bag full of guns. It's ridiculous. Simple as that.
Americans can keep your guns, why do I care, but it at least should be hard as hell to get them, and illegal as hell if you're caught with a gun without a full blown licence. What's the problem with that?
The issue and it's inevitable outcome is being waved consistently infront of America's face. Like a lung cancer sufferer who keeps smoking a pack a day.