slowly migrating from Flash and onto motion design.
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- mrock
Can anyone share some light on this? Have you made the transition? What our thoughts? Pitfalls? And / or advice. Thanks!
- k_temp0
Can you be slightly more specific?
Flash in terms of animation?!? Because that's also motion design.
- tasty0
i think what is meant is Flash > After Effects...
Web animation on to broadcast?
- animatedgif0
The main pitfall is once you get used to AE you realise how fucking terrible Flash has been all these years and going back to Flash is utter hell
- <<<<<<<<<<<< !!!!!fyoucher1
- two totally different programs. One if for web, the other is for broadcast media.dbloc
- Of course you can do much more when the output is video.dbloc
- yes wtfjadrian_uk
- dbloc: You can compare them in animating objects and parenting. Flash is broken in these regardsanimatedgif
- fyoucher10
I think Bradley Grosh had an article on this (GMunk). Try searching Google for that story, was pretty good if I remember correctly
- mrock0
Yep. I think ill be concentrating more on AE. I used to be a code monkey, but lately been having a passion to see things move. It just feels nice at the end of day to think about what else I can add to a motion design piece, than why won't that for loop work with its 3 dimensional array.
- Miguex0
I was doing animations in flash and it was awesome while it lasted, this was back in version 3 or 4, when people would pay me money for an obnoxious animation that said something like "welcome to my site".
Flash began to become more popular and complex, featuring dynamic content and stuff like that, there was no reason to use flash for the animation side alone, you needed to know code and make it usable or it was lame.
So I started doing motion on after effects for infomercials in the motocross industry. REALLY LAME stuff, but because I came from print, my use of typography made it look competitive enough. I started liking after effects more and more, and soon I was no longer needed.
Then I started learning camera layer... GOOD BYE FLASH. SEE YOU NEVER.
hahaha
But now, I do very little stuff for tv, most of the animations I do, end up in websites, just like i did when I first started, so the industry changed a bit, but then it came back to the same thing.
Do it. You'll get good money for it, and no code needed (you could do scripts in After Effects, but If I have to look at code to make something move, then it's no longer fun, I like the visual aspect of placing everything on a scene and move it around manually)
:)
- mrock0
@Miguex - Yes indeed and thanks for the reply, I've heard alot of AE guys coming from Flash saying "Join the Dark Side" you'll love it. Which is kind of how I got into Flash on the first place, when back in the day, when i was tryng to make animations happen on the web through HTML & DHTML. Now it seems that there's another layer of code and everything is going backwards. I used to use tween engines for flash but felt like it was clunky and no flow to it, I also didn't understand why guys who call themselves animators don't have a wacom and pen. Maybe I'm just picky, but I like to get into my projects just as how a fat boy loves to eat cake. Well you get the idea... You've got some work I can check out? Or anyone for that matter. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. He he!!!
- i hated getting handed source files with those tween extensions for something as simple as a bannermoldero
- zoozoo0
cool, you might find the ae timeline easier than flash's timeline, depends on how used to flash's timeline you are
- Miguex0
@mrock:
I don't have a wacom pen, I do everything with a mouse,
even custom typography stuff like this:
I'm left handed for writing, and right handed for using the mouse, so to me the wacom always felt un natural for some reason. But then I don't call my self an animator either, I like "designer" :)
I have some work here:
vimeo.com/accent
- mrock0
Boom! Nice work Miguex. i knew i was get something out of that comment. Sorry didn't mean to throw non-wacom tablet users under the train. I subscribed to your work on vimeo and will watch more on my downtime. As for me, here is my latest stuff, it's all banner work with some AE.
- MrT0
Slight bump rather than a new thread.
I'm about to start on some basic animated stuff - eg. brand idents for videos etc. I'm used to Flash, not so much the AS side, but assuming all I can take from that (and QBN) is familiarity with timelines...
This thread suggests AE is a good way to go - correct? Any other suggestions? Ta.
- mikotondria30
Learn all of it; AE is awesome and once you nail your workflow and get some keyboard shortcuts learned you can zoom along and get great results really quickly, with more control over more awesomeness than you thought you ever had in Flash. Then you might start to realise that you missed the programmatic exploratory nature of, say, stringing together some tween commands and randomess, and wish there was a third way. There sort of is, and sort of isn't. There are some awesome 3d webGL libraries out there that you can explore the z-axis with without going near the Flash authoring tool, which you will have realised after working with any other program, is dreadful.. And there is an enormous world of fun to be had with scripting and visually-coding coffee and expresso nodes in cinema4d. If you're anything other than a hardcore long-hand animator (someone who would rather make a Tom and Jerry than any mograph), then C4d (or equivalent), and After Effects are excellent tools to learn in parallel. Be mindful that occaisionally you'll see things like http://ro.me and not have a fricking clue how they're done. Which, after coming from the Flash world, and never having this happen, is very discocerting. I'm so glad no clients ever saw ro.me and wanted something similar, because I would have promised to be able to do it, then had a series of small strokes, and had to return the deposit.
After Effects is ubiquitous and an excellent entry into the ballooning mograph world. Learn it's features, awesome animating easing curves and the million brilliant plugins you'll abuse. It's a natural extension to want to create the more complex 3d (or not) content yourself, rather than just manipulating it, so it lends itself to curiosity to either film or 3d model and animate.
- dragonfruit0
Flash is still very much used in broadcast for anything cell animation.
Different programs...- yeah, flash was obvi. meant to be an animation app. first and foremost... still the best for cell animation.showpony
- ernexbcn0
Flash is derp.