A client treats me like a tool - advice?
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- feel0
Well, in the end of the day you're a director's tool, if you don't have a good director the work will not be great. So be less...hmm... how do i say it in english... like care less about the quality of your work.
I mean, some works will be awesome and will end up on your portfolio, others will just suck but will pay your bills, and that how it goes, even if you're famous designer and have worked for many cool clients.
So don't take this treatment you're having as a constant, have different clients, try to convince them about your ideas, and be aware that your ideas are not always the best, have in mind that there is two clients: the agency that is contracting you and the client it self.
You have to work more like a Mr. Wolf, you solve problems fast and thats it..
my 2 cents ;)
- vaxorcist0
reading the original post, it seems they'd rather have it done than done right, and they don't have time to think about it.... it's probably already been approved and there's no room for changes at this point...
if you disagree, and can't stand this situation, leave.... or just do it...
....or, in the case of designers/programmers so often experience, have a hard time telling them that it's not just an opinion, but the design has some sort of "can't get there from here" fundamental flaw, and we have to really re-think this.... even if nobody wants to....
- Amicus0
If you have a rational, logical argument that you can discuss without emotion, great.
If not, purchase balaclava, wear it, follow them home, cut their hamstrings, remove their tongues and crush their fingers. Leave a couple of throwing stars embedded in the wall so the Ninjas take the blame.
- Beeswax0
If you are a cardigan wearing guy with skinny jeans and hipster glasses those dinosaurs will not take you serious. Wear a suit, put on a heavy cologne, wax your hair, carry a leather suitcase and talk loud, laugh loud, try to act like a douchebag rather than a helpful design nerd.
- formed0
Some clients just won't listen. There isn't a "logic" that you can apply, whether you are right or wrong.
The person with the money controls the project (and the world, for that matter). You can choose to play and take the money, and appreciate clients that dont' have their heads up their holes, or you can move on and hope that you have a better client down the road.
Do you want the money or not? That's the question.
Personally, I don't see a problem. Maybe your ego wants to provide something [better, we don't know], but it should actually save you time and make you more money. Maybe not portfolio material, but good money with less effort.
Divorce yourself from the design, let the client get what they want (and recommend you as an "easy person to work with"), or fight and lose, or walk.
Seems pretty simple to me. You'll deal with this, or worse, so many times if you are running your own business. Me, I'd take the money, nod my head when the client wants confirmations and forget the design altogether, making my life easier (and more profitable).
Save the energy and design ideals for someone that cares.
- sometimes logic does work. like using larger type for older audiences.Amicus
- BonSeff0
You can act like a man
- prophetone0
disperse®
- identity0
do you work for someone or is this a client of your own?
- bored2death0
I hope you talk better than you write.
- Continuity0
Stop allowing yourself to be dis-respected. Walk away.
- AdamWintle0
I'm freelance, but its an employee at the company I have to work with on the project, not the paying client itself
- Josev0
Look for new clients
- detritus0
Are you a designer?
- Yeah web designer and developerAdamWintle
- Ah, well there's your problem.detritus
- hahahahmcmillions
- LOL!MSL
- bingo!
monospaced
- ukit20
If they didn't hire you to give design feedback, why would you expect them to listen?
- They hired me to design and built the site, but someone's already made a startAdamWintle
- Amen0
listen to this guy:)
- ideaist0
How's the $?
- Good, so ideally I want to continue working with themAdamWintle
- Then it looks like you've got a choice to make. Put up with the snark and get paid decently, or don't put up with it and walk.Continuity
- Kill it & bill it Adam... Move on to a client who KNOWS you're an asset and treats you thusly...ideaist
- moldero0
speak up man, dont take no shit. once is all some people need to continue being a cunt.
- < this is your best betdbloc
- < very true, you only need to remind them they can't talk to you like that once. Just once.Hombre_Lobo
- maybe twice, but never thrice!!Hombre_Lobo
- waterhouse0
Sounds like you ought to just take this, rectum be damned.
- DRIFTMONKEY0
Photoshop subliminal dicks into all their shit.
- chrisRG0
Some time ago I've been to an agency where the Producer were acting like that, after 4 days I quit.
The creative director said he was an asshole and didn't understand why was still at the agency.