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- WrappedInBooks0
My main problem with this whole thing is that he basically died yesterday because of inability to file a writ of habeas corpus. There's a one year statute of limitations on successive habeas petitions. After that point the federal government's hand are essentially tied, which is messed up because it's in the purview of the government to uphold the constitution. This suspension of habeas was introduced in legislation in 1996 (Pub. L. No. 104-132) - and is tied in to the 'global war on terrorism'.
- Ramanisky20
Popfodders you're a disgrace to the human race jump into a live volcano already. And take Cygnus with you. Thanks, we all appreciate it.
- Cygnus would just dispute the degree to which the volcano was 'live' and cite better volcanoslocustsloth
- hey, watch it. cygnus doesn't pay his good tax dollars to facilitate semi-live volcanosFax_Benson
- Suck a cock Ramanisky2popfodders
- Such a homophobeRamanisky2
- And a giant dry cuntRamanisky2
- Ramanisky, you're such a dry-cunt-aphobelocustsloth
- randommail0
After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation's highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:
Money.
Turns out, it is cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them, according to a series of recent surveys. Tens of millions of dollars cheaper, politicians are learning, during a tumbling recession when nearly every state faces job cuts and massive deficits.
So an increasing number of them are considering abolishing capital punishment in favor of life imprisonment, not on principle but out of financial necessity.
"It's 10 times more expensive to kill them than to keep them alive," though most Americans believe the opposite, said Donald McCartin, a former California jurist known as "The Hanging Judge of Orange County" for sending nine men to death row.
Deep into retirement, he lost his faith in an eye for an eye and now speaks against it. What changed a mind so set on the ultimate punishment?
- jon_d0
internet. f yeah.
- NONEIS0
Capitol Punishments in Texas since 1976:
475Capitol Punishments in Texas during Rick Perry's Tenure:
234
- jon_d0
this aint none of my business
- bliznutty0
the system and all it offers never really was moral... hell look at the war on drugs, what a moral fallacy! - when idiots assume the system is moral and assume the people that run it are angels - the immortality is spread like wildfire and implanted within children's souls - people end up with a contradicting nature about them and never want to challenge the state because it is too controversial and would highlight the immoral truth within.. modern-day war is another example..
- 5timuli0
There's too much white in the Stars and Stripes.
- randommail0
REVENGE.
Americans love it. So do the Chinese.
- And I'm half and half! FML.randommail
- im half US. and FML when i read the comments on here.isakosmo
- isakosmo0
woke up depressed about seeing the news, but some of the comments on here are making it even harder to think of anything positive. Its horrible how ignorance, arrogance and aggression go hand in hand
- <babaganush
- seriously. this is just a bad scene all around. Really making me take a long think about it all.shellie
- Nice emo post brah. Go cry in a fucking corner you baby. A bunch of people said they saw him do it. Later fucker.CygnusZero4
- i pity you, and everyone like you.isakosmo
- and for the record i'm a girl, and definitely not your 'brah' in any way.isakosmo
- Ramanisky20
here's an interesting thing I heard last night
At the exact same time as Mr. Davis is to be sent to his death tonight, Governor Rick Perry is scheduled to add to his record tally of state-sponsored death. One of the men who lynched James Byrd, Jr. is also scheduled to die by lethal injection in Texas. Lawrence Brewer's guilt is not in question, and his crime was beyond description. But the death penalty is not a fence-sitting issue.
For his part, Mr. Byrd's son doesn't think this is justice:
you can't fight murder with murder," Ross Byrd, 32, told Reuters late Tuesday, the night before Wednesday's scheduled execution of Lawrence Russell Brewer for one of the most notorious hate crimes in modern times."Life in prison would have been fine. I know he can't hurt my daddy anymore. I wish the state would take in mind that this isn't what we want."
- funny how knuckleheads like cygnus cry for less controlling govt but are willing to cede the ultimate power.Fax_Benson
- Its people like that Ross Byrd who make me think there is yet hope for humanity amongst all this shit. RIP James Byrd, Jrisakosmo
- d_gitale0
cygnus, popfodders, do you think there has ever been a case of someone being wrongly convicted and therefor executed ?
popfodders: surely, there has
so, let alone all other arguments mentioned before (morally, financially) how can you support capital punishment if you know that it has cost completely innocent people their life and will continue to do so ? Would like to know, if you were wrongfully convicted and about to be executed, how you would feel about it.
I am not talking about the troy davis case specifically as I do not have enough insight to how the decision was made. Maybe he did it, I have no idea.
I just oppose the idea of killing in general, including by the state.- because 99.9% of the time, the courts get it right, that's how I rationalize it, if you must know...popfodders
- i would like to see how your opinion changes when you find yourself being one of the 0.01%d_gitale
- I'd like to see how your opinion changes if your mother was raped and murdered.popfodders
- i am not saying that i would be full of hate, but that is my personal emotion, we are talking about institutional punishment hered_gitale
- *would notd_gitale
- Fax_Benson0
Can't really blame the whole of Georgia.
Plus, they can always exonorate / pardon at a later date if needs be. Terminate until proven innocent. You can't hang around with these things. Think how much safer the world is now.
- CygnusZero40
There is a judicial system for a reason, it's the best possible way to handle crimes.
Ok so you get a cop that's killed in a very public area, right across the street from a burger king in a parking lot.
There's a bunch of people around that witness this. Many of them willingly come forward, you know, since a cop cant hold a gun to someones head and tell them to be a witness. There is not a single thing a cop can do to force a civilian to do this.
ALL of them point out Troy Davis as the shoot, who oh by the way was already a known criminal, who already shot someone, using the same caliber bullets found at the scene of this crime.
He goes on trial, these witnesses testify, and the accused to found guilty and sentenced to death. Years later, YEARS after the incident, some of them arent sure it was him. Well they sure as fuck were sure the DAY after this happened. Well the trial is over, he was convicted. This is how it works. There is no better way to deal with crimes.
Im pretty sure if there is a murder, and Im nearby but didnt do the shooting, im not going to have MULTIPLE random civilians saying it was me.
This asshole did it. Name me a lot of executions where they really werent sure if the person did it. There actually isnt all that many. Im sure it's happened, we all know that some people have been wrongfully executed, but I really dont see this as being one of those cases due to the amount of random people that said he did it.
There is nothing a cop can do to force someone to say something against their will. What was he going to shoot them? Blackmail them? Threaten to rape them with an electric rod? That's ridiculous. The mod forces people to say things in court they shouldnt, not cops. There is no police force in the US so corrupt from top to bottom that news of forced testimonies wouldnt get out.
This shit is clearly being made up by people against capital punishment. Sorry this asshole deserved to die. He wasnt some upstanding citizen leading a normal life, he was not only a known criminals, but someone who had already fucking shot people before.
- The more you write, the more stupid you sound.Fax_Benson
- exactly Cy, the same old story> "This is wrong!".... well show me a better system to use then?popfodders
- Blah blah blah .. I just took a huge dump, and feel 4 pounds lighter.
Now where's the plunger?Ramanisky2
- shellie0
Last night was so gross. Certain coverage, the whole process leading up to it, and all the emotion slathered over such a polarizing subject really shook me up. I feel absolutely awful for everyone, especially both families. Yesterday had to be the absolute worst with all the jerking around.
I can say I seriously haven't thought about the death penalty since I was a teenager or maybe even younger. I'm not sure that, no matter what transgression was made against me, that I would take any pleasure or peace to see or have a hand in extinguishing another life when I really think about it. It would weigh far too much on the rest of my life. I can't really make sense of the fact that some criminals that have done worse are still alive and will never see the inside of a death chamber. But, someone who catches the whim of a DA that make a career case or soothe the public need for retribution can see the unfortunate end of a giant system that comes off as more credible than the person at trial. It doesn't seem like a fair practice when the cards stack against you like that. But that's just me.
- yes, but that doesn't change the protocol of the conviction process. Especially when the Supreme Court didn'tpopfodders
- intervene, when they looked it over themselves. What does that tell you?popfodders
- I get your point about the human side of it. Of course, not, but rules are rules. No need to bitch about it.popfodders
- humane, sorrypopfodders
- Rules are made to be broken @popfodders. If we never challenged the rules, I'd be breaking so many right now.shellie
- not some rules.popfodders
- so many... really fuckin stupid rules. you're talking to a black person right here. I know this.shellie
- there was once a time i'd be arrested in most states for dating the people I wanted to date or be married to...shellie
- and situations that seem unconstitutional in my life experience i should question and challenge.shellie
- dyspl0
d_gitale I just have a question, not really regarding the pro/anti death penalty but your particular argument above. I get the horrible idea of killing an innocent. I really do. But something bugs me here : capital punishment should end because of wrongfully convicted people. But then what about life sentence, or even any sentence?
I don't think you can base your argument upon the possbility of convicted innocents, since the justice is based on the idea that the final judgment is right. no?
btw : I'm an anti death penalty eurofag, as cygnus describes us :)
- ukit0
If someone is wrongly convicted and sentenced to life, at least they have their whole life to disprove the charges and win some sort of compensation for what they suffered through.
So actually this is a pretty good argument against the death penalty because it is the only kind of punishment with that kind of irreversibility.
- and that happened on numerous occasions, for those wrongly executed there is no returnd_gitale