Boehner quits debt talks
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- TheBlueOne0
I'm fairly confident after reading the work of a couple of respected Constitutional scholars that their are at least two sections of the Constitution that deal with the guarantee of the US debt. The US debt is guaranteed in two - TWO - sections of the US Constitution - in Article 1 of the original document and again clearly in the 14th Amendment (section 4). This "debt ceiling" is frankly unconstitutional - it's a Congressional restriction not grounded in the text of the Constitution.
I find it interesting that Obama, being the "Constitutional scholar" that he is, isn't taking this tack. He even came out and said that his lawyers said it wasn't a viable option, which he said he "agreed" (sidenote: executive counsel also said he was on flimsy Constitutional ground with the Libya situation, but he said, paraphrasing "sometimes you have to avoid legalities to do the right thing." hmmm. I see).
My hunch is that the discussion really revolved around that the debt ceiling is in fact unconstitutional but Obama's Admin didn't want to take the chance of having that case heard by this uber-rightwing Supreme Court who I am 100% certain would rule against Obama no matter what the Constitution and precedence says - and that's primarily why Obama isn't taking unilateral Executive action on it.
- dbloc0
you think Boehner and Weiner are friends?
- mg330
Boehner hates Obama, and hates Democrats, and just wants his moment in the speaker's chair to show that he's powerful. He'll walk away from any feasible deal just to show that. T-minus a few cable tv interviews and counting before we get to see his orange ass fake cry again.
- Not sure anyone in Washington hates anyone else, they're all in the same club...TheBlueOne
- ..however Boehner is being pushed by the retards in the Tea Party to do this or else be voted outTheBlueOne
- Of course, if anyone in Washington had principles or balls...ah, why bother...TheBlueOne
- ukit0
So it looks like the deal Boehner is insisting on has to raise the debt limit in two stages, one in the middle of the 2012 election.
This is similar to the McConnell proposal which would give Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling himself, and then allow Republicans to vote against it, during the election.
- instrmntl0
- someone had to do itinstrmntl
- Is anyone under 40 going to get this?TheBlueOne
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- miko..I was talking about the Boner reference. Why so serious?TheBlueOne
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- zaq0
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- vaxorcist0
The Tea party and Republican Primary voters have their party in a bind.... house Republicans who "compromise" in any way with the democrats will face a well-funded tea-party supported primary challenger... and get called a "RINO" by the hard-liners....
So,they're blocked into an all-or-nothing way of things....
but of course, they only control the house, not the senate or the white house....
Republican primary voters are getting more and more conservative, resulting in nominating EIPO candidates... i.e. Electable in Primary Only, i.e. they nominate candidates who can't win general elections.... this is true in many places, but unfortunately not in large areas of the more and more rabid red states....