VW: The Dark Side
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- georgesIII0
imagine what fuckn greenpeace could have done with this ad,
they fuckn drove it 24 hours non stop for fucks sakes,but no, they chose to pick on a easy target as usual, because what counts is not the real result of their campaign,
it's the visibility which = more donations,
fuck them
- grafisk0
Really cool.
- akrok0
coldarchon = the dark side. (it's as simple as that)
- and don't start with your greenpiss shit. here, have some organic cookies, kid-oh.akrok
- hehebabaganush
- coldarchon0
some vegan bacon for you guys?
- Another good point, well made.babaganush
- yeah, fun. meanwhile others has no food at all.akrok
- 100% meatless 100% genetically modified soy that causes cancer in rats, what's the fuckin point.moldero
- coldarchon0
http://greenpeace.magnify.net/vi…
last week greenpiss celebrated the decreased sales of Electrolux by 50%.Obviously anakin greenpiss is killing the Jedi kids in the temple ,,
- babaganush0
@coldarchon
This is you singing isn't it?
- speaks for itself that you know it and I don't ..coldarchon
- Are you 12?babaganush
- chalk0
Ok.
- Serhat0
not so creative_
- Good enough that you've engaged enough to be ranked as 'Yoda'...babaganush
- ;)babaganush
- ThePublics0
more terribleness from Greenpeace.
- babaganush0
It's a brilliant solution to Greenpeace's problem. It parodies VW's ubiquitous campaign and also offers brilliant incentives to engage and spread the word of the campaign. Given that it's more about awareness than selling or art direction, I think it's smart as hell.
- Even the fact George Lucas wants it off youtube is another opportunity to spread the message.babaganush
- youtube did remove it. which is bullocks.akrok
- coldarchon0
It is the most retarded stunt greenpiss ever did and the best advertising for VW ever. More like the Strauss-Kahn failing accusation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol…"Volkswagen first implemented its seven environmental goals in Technical Development in 1996. The plan contains themes involving climate protection, resource conservation, and healthcare, through objectives such as reducing greenhouse emissions and fuel consumption, enabling the use of alternative fuels, and avoiding the use of hazardous materials. The original 1996 goals have since been revised in 2002 and 2007. Volkswagen was the first car manufacturer to apply ISO 14000, during its drafting stage and was re-certified under the standards in September 2005"
If you accuse the car producer with the most environment friendly mentality to destroy the whole planet because it didn't pay enough money to greenpiss, while in asia 2 billion people drive mopeds with no catalytic converter, then greenpiss is behaving like a mafia. If they don't honor the mentality of VW and think Google is "clean" while just one click in a search engine costs 0,2 gramm, then there is no relation to the defamation and agitation greenpiss is doing here. You may call it goodwin, but this is like when the Nazis shouted to not buy at the jewish stores. VW is doing a good job.
Oh and if you think 0.2 gramm is not much, multiply it with 131.000.000.000 for daily wastage. Not included is youtube, gmail and all other stuff.
- that is 0.2 gramm CO2 of course ..coldarchon
- +tedvandell
- Glad to hear it's ‘only’ 0.2g
In my memory, it was 2g.detritus
- babaganush0
None of your points are about the campaign. They are loaded with what seems tobe quite a lot of vitriol towards greenpeace. I am not commenting on which side of the fence you sit on but the smartness of the campaign and how it works.
- http://observatory.d…coldarchon
- o.....k.....babaganush
- I heard you like smart campaigns whatever they stand for ..coldarchon
- babaganush0
Coldarchon, The fact that you linked to Nazi branding is exactly the point about the power of brands. The pithy comment linking it to how I like 'Smart campaigns' and tentatively suggesting I have morally objectionable tendencies is laughable.
At the end of the day there is something to be said for the effectiveness of thinking and doing to solve a problem. Linking the fact that there is some smart thinking and social media integration going on for greenpeace and comparing it to the Nazi's is just ridiculous.
It's a campaign leveraging off a car manufacturers branding ffs...it's not inciting genocide...You come across like you work for Volkswagen...
- I'm seeing another connection here, weren't Volkwagens created for the Nazis?tedvandell
- Ironically yes - commenting about Nazis boycotting Jewish stores with regards to Volkswagen branding is insanely ironic. Maybe I'm misreading itbabaganush
- ironic but maybe I'm misreading it.babaganush
- not exactly created for the nazis, but... eh, long story of the vw.johnny_wobble
- meffid0
I watched the vid, I still don't get it.
Are GreenPeace trying to hurt or help VW sales?
- coldarchon0
no, I just happen to know that with the current number of viewers for this video there was more CO2 produced than VW could have saved. This makes it fucking ridiculous and is nowhere close to being brilliant.
If they want to make the world a better place, there are cities in asia which haven't seen the sun for more than a decade because of smog and greenpiss is doing nothing about this. On the contrary to what you said about me, I did read the campaign, which led me to the comparison of google's wastage.
My comparison to the Nazis is just because of the retarded greenpiss' defamation and agitation they do to a corporation with a very dedicated mentality to the environment. Your conclusion that I compare this to genocide is very much not understandable. But obviously that is why you like this campaign, simple minds think alike.
You may think this campaign is well made, but it destroys more than it saves and is just apparently raising money in a blackmailing way. "Whatever you do for nature, if you don't pay us enough money we will throw mud at you". Period.
- Your points R well taken, but this site is filled with visual artists. This campaign is visually appealing. Hard to separate the 2.tedvandell
- babaganush0
Again, you actually sound more like a militant protester than the 'Greenpiss' people that you refer to.
You compare it to genocide in a number of ways. Firstly by saying ;
'but this is like when the Nazis shouted to not buy at the jewish stores.'You cannot see the inherent irony in that statement. Like it or not you a absolutely comparing it somewhat to what culminated in genocide.
I don't believe that you mean to compare it - but in accusing me of having a simple mind, you really need to re-think your analogies.
Also if you are that against online emissions, why the fuck are you on an online forum. A forum that comments upon the effectiveness of communication at that.
I have nothing against Volkswagen but they're a car manufacturer - You genuinely seem to feel that this huge multi-national can't take care of itself against, a funded charity...
I do think the campaign is well made, also for the fact that if you engage with the campaign it is actually handled in a rewarding and non-aggressive manner but more 'encourages' VW to rethink. Whereas VW has people like you coming on here like an out of touch extremist liberal from Greenpeace of old, I love this topsy-turvey. If I were a Greenpiss supporter, then people like you defending Volkswagen would delight me.
- detritus0
That campaign isn't ‘visually appealing’ at all. In fact, I still really don't understand the logic of the Star Wars affiliation*. Strikes me as being almost the antithesis of a well-designed campaign.
They've ripped someone else's concept as a veil for *the true underlying, though morally untenable, comparison— that of VW to the Nazis.
I doubt they'd've quite gotten away with that though, would they?
I'm kind of hoping that litigious lard-ass memory-spoiler, Lucas, goes ahead and sues them.
- Who said it was visually appealing?babaganush
- ^detritus
- Where does it say that?babaganush
- Jesus, look up, man.detritus
- whateverbabaganush
- *shrugs* I have no idea how to respond to that, or what point you're trying to make.detritus
- ditto. I'm not trying to be contrary. I cannot find where I refer to it as such.babaganush
- Ah, that's your ego kicking in, then. You didn't say it.detritus
- ?babaganush
- ‘tedvandell’ said it.detritus
- ah. ok,..because I don't think it is visually appealing really. A bit crude but still think it's smartbabaganush
- babaganush0
Wow. i didn't really intend this to get so deep.
I don't think anyone would consider it 'visually appealing'.
In terms of ripping, aren't they just piggy backing off Volkswagen's own huge success with the Child/darth vader thing? How else would you as a charity hope to compete with Volkswagen?Have you checked out the rewards-based movies once you engage with the content?
So you're taking a beautifully executed Volkswagen concept and piggy-backing it, turning that in on Volkswagen to hit home a simple idea that they may be the dark side.
Where has the Nazism come from other than coldarchon's comparison (or the fact that you could consider the Dark side as an analogy for Nazism in Star Wars, which is acknowledged and nothing invented by Greenpeace to infer Nazism in Volkswagen).
- You've not gone ‘deep’. ’The dark side’ = barely veiled fascism, a nice stand in to avoid invoking Godwin.detritus
- i made my comment without reference to this ‘coldarchon’ chap.detritus
- I agree. But if it hadn't followed a huge VW Star Wars ad, it would be unequivocally cynical.babaganush
