I sold my soul
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- maikel
I am starting an MBA.
As a designer I think it is slightly awkward.Am I alone thinking that most design programs give very little management formation, and -at least- some basics are needed?
- GeorgesII0
I wish you the best,
hope you didn't take a loan
- GeorgesII0
please tell me you didn't
- pillhead0
I feel sorry for the poor bastards that have to go to college today and pay out £40K before they even get on the working ladder.
- maikel0
Don't feel sorry for them, mam&pap will pay for it.
The only kind of people able to pay those fees are unlikely to feel the rise...However, I remember that not long ago you could go to Oxford for 3K -if you had the brains and/or connections and/or belonged to the right minority.
- hans_glib0
^this is bullshit.
you don't have to pay the loan back until you're earning a reasonable amount, and even then the payments are extremely small.
The idea is that you're going to earn bucketloads as a result of getting your degree, so why shouldn't you repay the benefits you received?
Where the idea falls down is that the govt didn't like the fact that university is elitist (which it is) and wanted everyone to go. Which means that as every tom dick and harry has a degree (removing the "advantage" that holding a degree used to give you) not everyone is going to earn bucketloads.
- maikel0
Oh mate...
I lived in The States, when people start saving from the age of 10 to go to college and uni -unless you are a Tom Dick with a natural talent for a sport- and I don't think that is right.
I also lived in Argentina where public uni is well respected and free (even for foreigners) and neither I think is right...
UK used to have a decent balance between loans, grants, government funds, etc. The education was decent, and the reputation was great.
Right now, 9K for an undergrad studying in a uni that will give no benefits whatsoever is a little too much. I think even TVU is charging that much and is no-way worth it
Post graduates are somehow away of all that malarkey. If LBS wants to charge you 50K for a programme and people wants to pay it is all good. But having ONLY wealthy undergrads will guaranty a nation led by (mostly) idiots.
- I agree with this completely apart from the last line. We already have, surely.set
- Already have that*set
- I know set... I'm saying that with less educated people it will get worse...maikel
- or it will last longer...maikel
- nations are led by idiots we´ve put on there... but the funny thing is the world is not led by this peopleOBBTKN
- yeah but america is completely fucked up anyway. just look at the health system. they should be used to being fucked in the arseanimatedgif
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- maikel0
(attention whore bump)
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what I was going on about is whether you think a design program should include some management basics.
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- monospaced0
A coworker of mine embarked on a design related international MBA program and is very happy with the results. Anyway, of course an MBA should have a focus on management and business, that's what it's all about. If you want a program that's just design, get an MFA.
- fadein110
How is going to college selling your soul?
Its quite the opposite.
You will sell your soul when you leave and work for a big agency.
- maikel0
^ point taken... but it feels like betrayal as it's the first time that I will study something non-design related.
My point on administration within design programs is that MANY design projects fail because fundamentals of business admin such as "are we making any money with this?" are never considered.
I worked my ass off many years before realising that some projects regardless of how much money was in there were simply not profitable, and see this same problem in many companies/professionals
- Mister20
Any education is good education.
- isakosmo0
For sure. I went to one of the top unis in the UK and learned nothing about business or management. I've done evening courses in digital marketing, marketing and project management on my own time/money. I think it's ridiculous that arts degrees think they're above business and management, everyone needs to understand the basics.
- maikel0
where did you go? UAL?
- formed0
Business is something everyone should learn. Sadly, it is a small few that are taught anything.
Good for you for thinking ahead.