Critical Mass Brazil
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- aldebaran0
http://road.cc/content/news/3148…
claiming self defense
- < this scenario is bullshitProjectile
- He felt threatened by children and old people who would pass his car in a matter of minutes if he turn off the engine and let them? Bullshit.i_monk
- well of course it isaldebaran
- and let them? Bullshit.i_monk
- self defense and "in a hurry"pizzafire
- "they were coming right at me" doesn't count if you're doing 30mphProjectile
- i_monk0
^ That second scenario is bullshit.
- sigg0
First, this is horrible to see. But, there are only two scenarios here that I can see.
One: The had a mad case of road-rage and for absolutely no reason floored it and ran everyone over.
Two: The car was waiting to pass and some biker(s) started to taunt him/her. In a panic for his/her life they floored it to escape. The typical kill or be killed human nature presented itself. The only way I can see this second scenario panning out is if I were in the car, waiting patiently with my child in the back and some a-holes started talking shit and hitting my car. If the situation escalated I would think I'd have no choice but to floor it.
Fucking horrible either way. Did they catch the driver? Do they know what prompted it? I'm not advocating it, but in an extreme situation who fucking knows. Humans are disgusting.
- shinpo0
Critical Mass takes the same shitty hand, gets hundreds of riders together, laments on the steel monsters, has a ride during peak hours of traffic in major metropolitan areas, deliberately breaks traffic laws and calls it raising awareness. I think it's more about inciting anger.
I commute on my bike sometimes and I must say that when riding my bike I hate cars and when I am in my car I hate bikers. There is definitely a disconnect between the two.
What the golf driver did was just downright wrong. Just take a different route and problem solved.
I think commuting on a bike is one thing, but bringing hordes of bikers to one city to piss people off is another. They didn't deserve what happened to them and it pisses me off, but Critical Mass could schedule their rides differently and accomplish their mission.
- I am in the same boat. When on my bike I hate cars, when in my car I hate bikes...utopian
- Miguex0
wow, are there really so many people here supporting the driver running over all these cyclists? Why is there any debate here in the first place?
The guy nearly killed all these people, included women and children, these are human lives man. Period. Unless the guy was having a stroke/ seizure or any other extreme medical emergency, there is NO EXCUSE to do what he did, period.
It's not about traffic laws, bikes, cars or hipsters, is about human innocent human lives.
- Projectile0
Micro.... I'd much rather have to obey the law and know for sure that motorists will, too. Seriously nothing would make me happier.
But we get dealt a shitty hand, so we make of it what we can. Well I do. Others take the shitty hand and sulk about it.
- moldero0
if some one kills my kid like this, the guy better pray I kill him before he gets arrested or else he will watch his family get slaughtered from behind bars.
- epic_rim0
"It's not a bunch of cyclists intentionally clogging up the road. It's a bunch of cyclists doing it together..."
In San Francisco, It's a bunch of cyclists intentionally clogging up the road.
ON the other hand, it's quite hilarious and fun to witness.
- it is hilarious but at the same time a mob mentality can be pretty annoying as wellmoldero
- microkorg0
PROJECTILE:
How can you say "Fuck what the law says" when it comes to your attitude towards cycling laws?
Surely that's probably the same as what the driver of the VW was thinking. "Fuck the law that says i'm not allowed to speed, hit and kill in my car".
- If the law told you to jump off a bridge, would you?i_monk
- LOL at imonks commentJimbo82
- no. that guy's saying "fuck morals, human life, everything"Projectile
- bull shit korg, get on a bike and you'll see.kingsteven
- Jimbo820
Golf driver was a f*cking nutter, no doubt.
It's like everything, there are no absolutes, there are plenty of careful drivers and some bad apples, same goes for cyclists. It's the militants who are the pricks.
Luckily I've never been hit by a car on foot or a bike (touch wood) but I have however been hit by two cyclists, one who went through a red light and one who was on the pavement.
I used to cycle, now I drive and am cautious of cyclists because of my own experience. I think it would be a good idea if part of the driving test was some form of cycling test. It would teach how to cycle carefully and give a sense as to how vulnerable you are when on a bike so that when you are in a car you can relate.
- Projectile0
lobstarr... first of all,
secondly, I've never simply shot through a red light... and only couriers actually do. but we do sometimes go through them very carefully, when it's completely safe to do so.
The fact is, we are not cars and we are not pedestrians.
We don't have the ability to just charge into the middle lane of a busy double lane road, slow down stopping all traffic so that we can wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic. Be honest... do you really think you'd sit patiently behind me without hooting or coming 2cm behind me and revving like mad?? That's just one of thousands of examples I can thing of where we get bullied off the road. Nor do we have the ability to climb stairs or use sidewalks etc. like a pedestrian.
We are in the middle, a little bit of both. Soft and squishy like a pedestrian, and relatively speedy like a car. Fuck what the law says, until I get the same actual rights as a vehicle, I'll cycle half pedestrian, half vehicle.
Try it, just once, I dare you. And no I don't mean piss along to your boyfriend's house round the suburban corner on a bmx. I mean real commuter cycling. Then come back and get all high and mighty
- Just out of interest dude, have you ever had cycle training?rascuache
- Option A, the cyclist should be infront of the car turning left. Same for option B.Jimbo82
- If waiting at lights obviouslyJimbo82
- Jimbo, assuming there are ASLs at every junction? Not always the case. You don't always need to be at the front, either...rascuache
- Safest place though, even if there isn't an ASL, rather than being in the blind spot like the diagram.Jimbo82
- It's all about being seen as a cyclist, get up to the front so you know he knows your thereJimbo82
- it might be the safest place if the layout of the junction is sympathetic, though technically once you've crossed the white line you've jumped the lights...rascuache
- ...line, you've jumped the lights. My point was that you don't need to be at the front.rascuache
- yes it's safer than the blind spot, but not necessarily safer than being in the middle of the lane a few cars backrascuache
- where traffic is slower, you have more time to move away from the lights, then you can move to the left to allow traffic to pass
rascuache - if there is and asl I use it, but 99% of the time, it's filled with cars/scootersProjectile
- I've cycled to work/school since age 8.... what other training is there, a course?Projectile
- http://www.cycletrai…
Just teaches road positioning and ting. Lot of people in london seem to go for it.rascuache
- lobstarr0
A fuck about my respect? Having drivers and cyclists on the road is all about fucking respect. Having a little dipshit do whatever he wants just makes me shake my head when they do irresponsible shit like that. Where I agree with you on your post is that there's always going to be a bad apple, on both sides who show a lack of respect.
- i_monk0
Motorists cry like babies when cyclists don't obey the rules of the road, but then get pissy when cyclists act like regular traffic. If he'd driven through a bunch of people on motorcycles nobody would say the bikers were in the wrong. If he was in a huge truck and ploughed through a bunch of small cars, nobody would say the drivers of those cars deserved it.
No, I'm not a cyclist.
- detritus0
I'd encourage anti-cyclist drivers labouring age-old whinges about 'jumping red lights and transitioning into pedestrian spaces' to spend a week on a bike commuting.
Most cyclists I see are cautious, respectful road-users who are forced to use 'astandard' means merely to get to work without being knocked around the roads by hurtling masses of 1t+ lumps of metal.
A minor point too - drivers tend to forget that cyclist provide their own power, meaning that starting off from red-lights and such isn't as easy as taking a foot off the brake, dropping another onto an accelorator - if you want to keep 'your' roads moving, you should cut us some slack.
- lobstarr0
You know what pisses me off. That some cyclists think they can change from a pedestrian to a motor vehicle anytime they wish. Like if they have to stop for a red light going one way -- oh! -- the dickhead will use the walkway to skip the red light, or just not follow any road rules at all, choose one fuckers if you want my respect.
- this thread is about some cunt who without regard ploughed through a mass of cyclists, not about running red lightsBluejam
- Doesn't sound like I'd really give a fuck about 'your respect'.detritus
- also lob, would you rather the cyclist crossed at the lights or hold you up when they change?kingsteven
- i mean, on my commute i stop at maybe 20 sets of lights, with a car behind me.kingsteven
- you maybe have a bike in front of you at the lights once every week? so who knows how drivers react? me.kingsteven
- you'll fucking moan if we cross, you'll moan if we hold you up, you'll try and pass us when we're riding in the middle of the roadkingsteven
- all we're trying to say it's not safe to pass here, or i'll get out of this guys way... i'm not going to get killed whilekingsteven
- in some insane trust that obaying the green cross code and wearing a cycle helmet and hi-vis does shit.kingsteven
- pillhead0
That is fucked up.
- lowimpakt0
i don't even know why I typed that.
- lowimpakt0
sorry, that should be "car crashes"
but that doesn't factor in the deaths from air pollution or other ailments such as asthma etc.
- lowimpakt0
cars are the leading cause of injury death among children worldwide 10 – 19 years old (260,000 children die a year, 10 million are injured)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_de…
& the sixth leading preventable cause of death in the United States
- detritus0
I used to really like going on Critical Masses here in London, but found the shrill middle class venting overwrought and, ultimately, quite self-destructive.
One time we blocked London Bridge, made our point... then kept blocking it. 15-20 minutes we were there... I'd pulled myself to the side of the street after the first few minutes as I thought it was getting stupid. Around 10 minuets in, an Irish tourist walking past asked me what it was all about, by which point I couldn't really give a justifiable answer. He looked at me with the contempt I felt for myself and the whole enterprise.
Still, a great way to spend a summer evening In the city...