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- clearThoughts
Designer with +1 years of experience = Art Director
80% of Art Directors positions on Krop are basically for designers.
Don't see anything wrong with it, just think it kind of changed over the last 2-3 years....Maybe they get about 10 times more applicants for an AD job than a designer job?
- inkpink0
what's official?
- http://en.wikipedia.…Lillebo
- that I slept with your mum... and that it was good!clearThoughts
- err0
Some companies call their Designers "Art Directors" Its BS but it makes employees happy.
- err0
Some companies call their Designers "Art Directors" Its BS but it makes employees happy.
- nthkl0
Eh it doesn't really matter what the title is if you're still making designer wages though.
- boobs0
The only job that really counts is "owner." Everyone else is just an ass-kisser.
- CALLES0
I shall start calling myself art magician
- e-pill0
in my industry we do not have Art Directors or Creative Directors..
in design everyone is Designer or Senior Designer. there are no other titles period.i like my industry for this.. yours seems all too crowded with egos.. naming job titles.. meh!!
just give me my salary and you can call me head of pencil sharpening i could care less!!!
:P
- and what's that industry?maikel
- fashion product designe-pill
- in Fashion there are just Art Directors or Creative Directors these day... even though they might just be shifting a logo around...clearThoughts
- ukit0
Notice how doctors don't feel the need to call themselves "Director of Medicine" after a couple years.
Unless you are overseeing the work of other designers and/or landing clients, just call yourself what you are - an insignificant pixel-pushing cog in a corporate media hiera- I mean, a designer.
- VikingKingEleven0
These type of jobs are really starting to p me off.
Is this a print designer?
Print Graphic Designer
Description Dallas-based design agency is seeking a full-time print and interactive designer to work client-side with a leading technology company in Dallas. Ideal candidate has 4+ years agency or in-house experience and possesses a strong balance of creative and technical expertise. Must have a 4-year degree (BFA or equivalent) in Graphic Design and/or User-Interface.
Define, develop, and create effective and cohesive brand identity and visual communications including: brand, photography, collateral, direct mail, E-mail/E-newsletters, advertisements, packaging, tradeshow, retail point-of-purchase and website/multimedia.Responsibilities
Design and develop print communication materials from concept through production
Create concepts, designs, storyboards, wire frames, site navigation and flash interactive design projects. Apply user-centered design processes to create high quality user experiences
Interface with project managers, marketing managers, print production manager, designers and copywriters to define and develop effective communications materials
Participate/lead creative brainstorming sessions
Provide art direction, reviews and approvals at key stages of project development
Initiate customer feedback and input on key visual communications
Build and maintain relationships with outside vendors/agencies
Provide quality control standards and attend press checksRequirements
• 3-5 years experience of interactive design, print design and production
• Strong understanding of the importance of branding/identity standards and creative execution against marketing strategy
• Strong project management, organizational, self-motivating and multi-tasking abilities
• Proficiency in Adobe Creative Suite CS4 (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Fireworks), Microsoft Office, Flash, HTML (including CSS)
• Familiar with usability research methodologies- Can't you lighten up a little on the flash? HTML and CSS. Ok HTML CSS I get it but flash?VikingKingEleven
- 3-5 years in interactive design? Print designer?VikingKingEleven
- dude, they are way behind. they need to update this post with CS5. lol.akrokdesign
- If they removed the word "Print" from the job description, it seems almost reasonable.luckyorphan
- Exactly or add interactive.VikingKingEleven
- I bet they offer less than £20K/yearmaikel
- Thats a hell of a lot of experience required for what sounds like a fucking shit jobPIZZA
- I would say get used to it. They will find someone willing to do all that just for spending money. And eventually push all you "old farts" out of the market, just like you did when you got out of school.Mr_Right
- tymeframe0
^ This position needs to pay out the wazoo for this range of skill and technical knowledge. No, this isn't a Print Designer. Perhaps they're simply trying to shake off all the photoshop 'web designers' that might apply. And more than likely it's an aim for the stars hit the moon scenario.
I think someone that meets all of these qualifications could successfully run their own studio.
Here's what I'm curious about. What would be considered an equivalent to a BFA?
- akrokdesign0
if you have 3-5 years work experience, why care even care if they have a b.a or not. a bit silly. just look at their work, instead.
- luckyorphan0
^^ I have found that people who are school-taught are usually better than those who are self-taught or those who have had on-the-job training. On the job, you generally learn how to use the software and produce what the directors want. In school, you learn how to think for yourself and do what you want. Experience as both a director and a creative at such an early time in one's design career can be invaluable, if used right.
More abstract concepts are explored and more creativity is unleashed in an educational atmosphere, leading the creative youngster to become a more unique designer. Whereas those who grow up going from high school to mail room to design houses usually just learn to spit out the latest design fad, and are hopeless when it comes to picking up something new and running with it.
It's the difference between a designer and a production artist. Of course, there are exceptions, but that's just been my experience.
- yeah, i went to schööl töö. :-)akrokdesign
- Designers also get stuck in production jobs. Even corporate design says, faster, faster, faster.VikingKingEleven
- ukit0
It does seem like more jobs are expecting at least a working knowledge of the technical side of things. I don't think that's so crazy, considering more and more people have those skills now.
- 100% correct the print designers from 5 years ago now have to learn web quickVikingKingEleven
- so i am trying to learn AE and video instead.VikingKingEleven
- akrokdesign0
i think it's also depending on the size of studio/agency. big one's has more "this is your role" you "design" that's it. meanwhile at smaller shops you end up doing "everything" as there is no production artist, that's you also. :-)
- rosem0
titles = titles. nothing more.
- yeah dude. But they define your salary. If you stay a designer forever it will never go up. Unless u are frerlance.clearThoughts
- Peter0
Can hardly wait until a batch of green freelance kids start titling themselves Creative Directors
- happening already. They are probably better at the job than most CD's out there.clearThoughts
- georgesIII0
It make students happy to graduate with an Art Director,because honestly they'll never get paid more than stagist,
give them at least this satisfaction
- Projectile0
it's because designers with only a year's experience are still naive enough to think that, because they've been trained in art direction as part of their 6 month course, they'll actually become one before the age of 60 based on talent alone.
- Hombre_Lobo0
this does grind my gears. To think of hard working designers with years and years of experience who are actually competent art directors.
Then you have these post grad tools going "look at me look at me im an art director".As said by others, forget tiles, lets see the work, that separates the men from the hipsters.
I graduated today, should i put art director on my portfolio? probably!