UK: Who will you vote for?
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- kingkong0
Under Labour we have had:
Abolition of a strong financial regulator
Invasion of Iraq
Invasion of Afganistan
The biggest National Debt in peacetime ever
Tuition Fees
The highest level of immigration ever, without asking anyone
The largest number of people economically inactive ever
The under funding of armed forces
Whilst the higest spending in history on the NHS, of which the Nation audit office thinks 40% was wasted
The selling off of gold reserves
The unchecked selling of UK's largest companies to foreign investors
The most obscene housing boom in UK history, excluding the very people they aim to help
The unashamed pillage of UK pension schemes
Income tax of 50%, rise in Nation Insurance
Growth in Quangos and bureaucracy of 76%
The about turn on a referendum on Europe
An unelected Prime minister who uses unelected advisors like Mandleson who tell Iraq how to run a democracy... ppft
etc etc etc
Yes they've done some wonderfully progressive things, and yes the country is more modern and probably better than it was in 1997 in so so many ways.
I voted for Blair in 97, but fuck me, the damage that they have done to this country financially is so fucking huge that the debit will be still be being paid off by my great grand kids, and that's if things dont get worse.
I have a friend who is the european economics advisor for HSBC, very high up and influences a lot of things, my brother in law also works for the IMF, and both think there is way way worse to come for the UK.
Our debt is insane, we overspend, and at currently we owe roughly 90k per household, and we borrow £1 billion every 3 days. We make Greece look like pocket change. Yes we can inflate our way out of it, but if we have to do that £3 for a loaf of bread anyone?
It's wrong and frankly financial mismanagement should have criminal charges put to it.
I'm hovering between Lib Dems and Tories. I live in a shoe-in Labour seat so Ealing will be Labour whatever, but the idea of Ed Balls, The milliband brothers and Gordon Brown not to mention Mandleson.
Gordon Brown may have integrity etc, im sure he does, but frankly the people running this country aren't clever or good enough to get us out of the mess we're in. We need a change and we need it quickly otherwise we are genuinely fucked. We're struggling to even keep British Airways registered in the UK as the papers say today.
Give you some of the people in Charge:
Ed Milliband, done nothing...
After a brief career in television journalism, he became a speechwriter and researcher for Labour politician Harriet Harman in 1993, and then for Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown the following year. In 1997, following Labour's landslide election victory, Miliband was appointed as one of Gordon Brown's special advisers with specific responsibility as a speechwriter. In 2003–4, he spent a year's sabbatical at Harvard University, to study and lecture at Harvard's Centre for European Studies,[2] during which time he was 'granted access' to Senator John Kerry and reported back to Brown on the Presidential hopeful's progress.[3] In 2004 he was appointed chairman of HM Treasury's Council of Economic Advisers, directing the UK's long-term economic planning.My local MP:
Virendra Sharma was born in India in 1947 and educated at the London School of Economics on a trade union scholarship.[3] He speaks fluent Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu. He is married with a grown-up son and daughter and three grandchildren.
Sharma came to Hanwell from India in 1968 and became a bus conductor on the 207 route, later working as a day services manager for people with learning disabilities in Hillingdon.
He has been a local councillor in the London Borough of Ealing since 1982 and has been Mayor for part of his time as councillor.[3]. He has been criticised by councillors from other political parties for his level of attendance at council meetings.[4] He is not standing for re-election as a local councillor in the 2010 Local Elections.I could go on. Only THREE labour MP's have had a manual job. The real tragedy of our system, is that we pay to little for our MPs and we get chimps, the civil service isn't much better.
We have Third rate individuals around this country running it into the ground.
If it takes Eton boys giving jobs to the bright Eton mates to get us out of this mess im in...
Cant be any worse...
NOW thats a rant :)
- Still not trying to convince anyone?********
- Did you cut and paste this from the Daily Mail?********
- No I actually wrote this one from my head. and all of it true too. Go figure.kingkong
- "I strongly believe in, is it's not my place to persuade you its the politicians."********
- < those were your words on the previous page.********
- I slept on in and fancied a rantkingkong
- The Tory party have a tendency to say one thing and do another.********
- I wouldnt know Im not a memberkingkong
- hahahaha you need to stop reading the daily mail and base your opinions on facts rather than fiction my friendisakosmo
- er... what of this isn't true?hans_glib
- Eton boys, most of these morons are in Government as it is and look how that turned out.********
- Still not trying to convince anyone?
- isakosmo0
why are people so stupid as to blame the whole recession on the labour government? its labour's fault is it? are you not aware it's a worldwide issue that started in the US and trickled down to the UK... do you not think it would have been a hell of a lot worst with the tories in power?!! do you not think a new government will ruin all gordon brown's work to get us out of the recession... seriously this is sad. wait til the tories are in power, then we'll seriously be in the shit.
- Its the fault of the person holding the parcel when the music stops clearly. They are holding the parcel.kingkong
- We're not kids though king-kong .. and we're not stupid. Labour have had bad luck re. the recession.********
- its their fault on national debt, tax, war, europe etc etctrooperbill
- maikel0
As an expat I find the situation dreadful. I pay taxes from the very first day as a local and I never claimed allowances (or housing benefits, or the long list of etc that my taxes are paying for). Still I have to hear every day 'British work for British people'.
I personally think that Labour has a totally unrealistic economic approach and thanks to that, Britain will be a shithole in about 10 years.
Plenty of serious economic/financial information to support the view.Anyway I doubt any of the other parties would do any better, but it would be nice to see another bullshitter in power for a change.
- ********0
+1 to seriously being in the shit if the Tories get in.
I'm praying they don't.
- i honestly believe that we are in the shit already. it is just that nobody told us yet!maikel
- you need to be told? Watch the fucking news, mang...rascuache
- yeah, I agree .. but I think it could be so so much worse.********
- agreed to that.
problem is that even with labour, years to come are shite. we gotta pay..maikel - ... the bill that this people (mr darling & mr king) have left to 'rescue' the countrymaikel
- WeLoveNoise0
something to help you make your mind up
http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
- kingkong0
I think it's not to bold to say and I'll happily stick my neck out, that the tories will win by about 20 seats, will form a coalition with the SNP and Ulster Unionists.
Labour will be equal second on the popular vote with the Lib Dems but because of our odd system will have a 130 more seats.
We will in about a weeks time have a kick off of a spending review which will show just how badly our economy has been handled. Will will have massive tax increases and spending cuts.
There will be social unrest and the tories will become the most unpopular government ever, promoting a general election in 2013, where Labour will get in for another 15 years.
Low, if I were you i'd want the tories to get in, because the measures the next government will have to take will screw them for a long long time.
- WeLoveNoise0
is there any BIG reason why we shouldnt vote lib dem in ?
they seem to be the favourites- I always thought the main reason, was that it would be a wasted vote - but I don' think that's true this time.********
- please no... not the sandal wearing bearded loonies....hans_glib
- TRIDENT is one reason!Lets_not_pretend
- I always thought the main reason, was that it would be a wasted vote - but I don' think that's true this time.
- hans_glib0
it was always thus - labour spends the country into near bankruptcy, tories are hard nosed enough to get things right again, but we all hate them for it, so vote in labour who spend all the money again....
- I don't think they 'got things right again' during the early nineties, by a long shot.********
- so where did the pile of money that labour inherited come from?hans_glib
- You're not serious are you?********
- absolutely.hans_glib
- hans - this is all too truetrooperbill
- I don't think they 'got things right again' during the early nineties, by a long shot.
- hans_glib0
and by the way nick clegg is just as much a toff as cameron - westminster/cambridge plays eton/oxford...
- The policies are where they differ though .. surely that's the only important factor?********
- maybe but everyone slags off the tories cos "cameron is a toff"hans_glib
- I have more a problem with what Cameron says.********
- people slag off cameron because hehis policies are for toffs. doesnt matter where you come from, as long as you can see the other side of the fenceisakosmo
- i just don't get this. toffs account for maybe 1% of the vote. how is aiming your policies at a minority going to get you power?hans_glib
- gordo kept banging on about cameron giving 3000 "top" families a tax break... but 3000 votes don't get you to PMhans_glib
- and why the fuck am i defending this guy?????hans_glib
- it gets you funding from your minted matesisakosmo
- Getting these people on side gets fundng and gets influence. The media can also be 'bought'.********
- Rupert Murdoch wants the Tories to be in power - because it gives him an advantage .. that terrifies me.********
- The policies are where they differ though .. surely that's the only important factor?
- kingkong0
WeLoveNoise et al.
The way the system works in this country is on electoral wards so even in the eventuality where the Lib Dems got 40% of the vote and the tories and Labour 30% each
Of the say 620 seats that would mean roughly
Labour: 300 seats
Tories: 250 Seats
Lib Dems: 170 SeatsSo a lib Dem vote isnt wasted, its that the system is heavily weighted against them and towards Urban areas which traditionally vote socialist
- i get this i just dnt know what lib dem are proposing that is so offputting to the publicWeLoveNoise
- at the moment they sound too good to be true but there is obviously a few things missing that havent been touched on in the debatesWeLoveNoise
- debatesWeLoveNoise
- kingkong0
Personally after all that ranting above, I probably won't vote. It's the only sensible option for someone who thinks our politicians are a bunch of 3rd rate school prefects. None of whom would I employ, and frankly if over 50% of the population don't vote as I suspect might be the case then hopefully they will wake up and smell the coffee, form a government of national interest with the best of all elected representatives and they will have a very clear mandate, sort this country out, do what needs doing to get us back on the right track. Leave your tribal party political bullshit at home and then sort out a system that clearly works and engages the population. Until that point I probably won't fucking bother.
As Andrew Marr said in his recent book; "Since the second world war, we as a country have been let down by politicians of every hue, creed and colour. The politics of self interest by all sides has lead to the gradual but definite decrease in the standing of our nation both at home and abroad"
I tend to agree
- good quoteWeLoveNoise
- Why do you _not_ want to vote for the Lib Dems?********
- Stugoo0
I aint gunna be voting if my poll card dont come.... whine!
- You don't need the card .. it's just a reminder********
- http://www.aboutmyvo…********
- yeah i know, I'm just worried I never got my application in on time..Stugoo
- maybe give them a call? .. I was worried about the same and they let me know all was okay over the phone.********
- good idea. cheers!Stugoo
- You don't need the card .. it's just a reminder
- Khurram0
Yeah, fuck New Labour, i'm all down with that. Had enough of this shit.
But furreal, people think New Labour is distinct from Tories? Ain't New Labour the same thing as Conservatism?
So why get rid of New Labour, just to vote back in New Labour under the name Conservative?
I think that's why Cameron is struggling (relatively) cos people want New Labour out, but they see him as peddling the same shit as T. Blair.
- Khurram0
lowimpakt - as a social-democrat i can understand your apologism for the Labour Party. But for all that, Brown was the guy who abolished the 10p income-tax rate - a huge tax hike levied on the 5 million lowest-paid households in Britain. Could I have ever imagined, growing up in the suburbs of Bradford, that a Labour government would do something like this???
- johnnnnyh0
Don't vote conservative . . . don't, don't, don't.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commen…
Quote from the above link:
"I don't have a phobia about Tories. That would suggest an irrational response. I hate them for a reason. For lots of reasons, actually. For the miners, apartheid, Bobby Sands, Greenham Common, selling council houses, Section 28, lining the pockets of the rich and hammering the poor – to name but a few. I hate them because they hate people I care about. As a young man Cameron looked out on the social carnage of pit closures and mass unemployment, looked at Margaret Thatcher's government and thought, these are my people. When all the debating is done, that is really all I need to know"This is so true. Having lived through that, I really can't understand how anyone would associate themselves with the Tories.
It's like Paul Weller said when Cameron declare Eton Rifles his favourire song: “Which part of it didn’t he get? It wasn’t intended as a fucking jolly drinking song for the cadet corps.”
The tories don't get other people, they get themselves. They not in politics for you or me or anyone else, they are in it for themselves because that is all they understand, all they see. It's normal to them.
- trooperbill0
...and gordon has complete contempt for the general public... this we know for a fact.
- I have complete contempt for the general public too .. so on that score he'd get my vote.********
- yeah! how dare he call a bigot a, erm, bigot?isakosmo
- fair pointtrooperbill
- I have complete contempt for the general public too .. so on that score he'd get my vote.
