Apps are not websites
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- ********0
if you want to call them application just do it, a real application does not need a fucking browser to run.
- I'm not convinced that's true. Adobe Air and Flex are both application based frameworks that run on browsers.
MikeDubs
- I'm not convinced that's true. Adobe Air and Flex are both application based frameworks that run on browsers.
- MikeDubs0
I think that's fair, but to take the other side of it, I think clients think between their website content and the base iPhone UI you have an engaging app.
- ********0
Technically, you can build apps that do not need a browser. If your application required a browser, would you have to design your own browser in order for it to be a "real" application? You can probably go even further and say that a "real" application doesn't require an Operating System...
Back to web apps, if someone already built a browser there would be no reason to build a new one from scratch, and building apps that piggy back on a browser make efficient use of and show two apps working together.
The main purpose of an application is to fulfill a particular purpose of the user. Other than reading and navigating. I think a "real" application would have to fulfill a particular need.
The question of choosing a web based or desktop application is how much real time system resources does your application require for its performance. The other is how do you want to go and sell this so called app of yours.
- uan0
if you do website, you can do with app in it (= do charge for development). websites go into browsers, you can optimize for iphone browser, i.e. don't use flash. iphone app is other medium, you can code client's service into an iphone app, you can even make it better or at least different for the enduser's experience (=lots of develop). another difference is you can sell the app to the enduser.
- MikeDubs0
Again, we are talking about clients that want an app because they want to be part of the Apple app store, they want their products represented on the iPhone. I understand that some of you want to talk them out of that, but as a design company, we'd want to make our clients happy, not to tell them no.
This is a conversation on how to change their ideas from incorporating a full website into an app and not where that app version of a full website lives. We all know the answer is in a mobile version of a site, but companies really don't want that.
- ********0
I don't believe that turning their website into an app is the solution in all cases. However for some companies, that might be a great idea.
- So it's a question of how much content there is?MikeDubs
- I think one question would ask what does the iPhone app do that the website doesn't for starters********
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- goldielox0
i don't think clients, when dealing with any medium whether it's print or web or whatever, are ever going to get it. seems like whatever it is...they want it ALL and "yesterday" and BIGGER and blah blah blah...
but maybe it'd be helpful to know more about some of the clients' sites you're dealing with. it seems difficult to discuss how to change client perception in general...when each have unique sites, amount of content, needs,etc.
anyway i agree with asking what can it do that your website cannot. maybe having some discussion about the way consumers are interacting with content on the web vs. mobile, initiating some market research, and proving to them why/how your proposed app will best suit their needs.
but i dunno i could be missing this completely
- must_dash0
total depends on what the app is? if it can be built with html and javascript then it is a good option, as you can then port it over to other devices too... like the nexus one which will end up with more share than the iPhone.