Designers stand up.
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- duckofrubber0
- I thought those were the Aye Mon Then aardvarks at first.seed
- ********0
Too long, did not read. TLDR version?
- seed0
- kult0
3 tries, and your site will not load.
Would it kill you to paste the contents in here? Would have been nice saving me minutes of my life.
- janne760
jesus what the fuck is this about
- janne760
stop talking about design and start serving people with work that is meaningful instead of self-absorbed rubbish.
- janne760
doesn't the intense length of this letter make you look more like a whiny self-absorbed pseudo-intellectual easily hurt arse?
http://www.designassembly.org/20…i am sorry, but bite the pain and move on.
- e-pill0
im lost here. did Design Assembly create the dual number font letters for the logo? if they didnt are they just making waves in their direction for people to maybe learn of their existence? its great you guys at design assembly have jobs and stand up for your industry, but its a shame you have to lower yourself so much and argue against the people that will never matter to care for your ideals.
some of the posts above share this common thread, but i dont see how its your responsibility to rage against something that really to me as a designer and creative was so over charged for what it is.
i'm not a civil servant. i am a professional designer and i could have done it for less as well.
since i made this comment, should i expect an email from your organization as well?
i just don't see your argument.
- Read the post. It's about the principle not the specifics. You all are purposely difficult on here at times hence the rep this forum has at times.gradiate
- you claim we are the one moaning and criting you.. yet it is you who is doing just thate-pill
- it might be so clear for you and your team that your point is valid. but to me it is not.e-pill
- as a creative and a designer its your job to problem solve and to figure a way past it.e-pill
- it might be a client or a govt or anyone.. move past it. or keep whining as you are.e-pill
- or point fingers at the rest of us for just witnessing you and your tantrums.e-pill
- kezza_20
im too drink to stand
- gradiate0
Really don't get a lot of the responses on here. If you engage with the article and the response it all seems very valid to me. Instead it's easy to attack and moan and criticise as always. Sure take issues with elements of what is said and argue points but some of the negativity and general taking the piss just doesn't help.
- version30
blame the content, not the readers
- kelpie0
I have to come out and say that the response really disappointed me - firstly I don't think its written well enough to sting as it should. Secondly I think it smacks of an over reaction to something which is essentially politicians ragging each other over where they spend their budgets. The focus is on them, not the design industry; the couple of condescending comments on there which are superficially aimed at our skills or lack of are worth paying next to no mind to. Boiling up this incredibly long response to this just sounds hurt.
There are good points in there, but each one of them is negated by the tone of the next part, which comes off as a bit childish in my opinion.
If this was necessary to write then it would have been much better served with a cold, detached dissection of the argument. It runs off from that into what sounds like a plea too often.
I can honestly imagine that being read and our profession being easily dismissed as childish and pompous, but not quite smart enough to really stick the knife in properly.
sorry.
- yeah I think its all about how they could have controlled the budget betterFallowDeer
- Horp0
Quango Wars.
- indian_pole0
i like this response, pretty much sums it up for me!
Michael Robinson wrote:
It's good to see the Times following their own advice for once and letting anyone with a copy of Microsoft Word be a journalist.
January 11, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
- wademd0
I was expecting jokes in this thread.
- lowimpakt0
"A Tory MP embroiled in a row about the value of identity design for Government clients has reiterated his opinion that some of the work should not be given to designers.
He added, ‘Modern graphic design [software] packages surely allow anyone with an average brain to design something as good as, or better than, what we see in front of us here.’ Speaking to DW, Hands says, ‘No one is questioning the value of good design, but some of this public-sector work shouldn’t be commissioned. No patients benefited from the NHS anniversary logo and the end result was hardly inspirational.’"
- I think a few people are guilty of overcharging public bodies, as we think they have the money. so why not...FallowDeer
- that's a truism in all trades I fearkelpie
- kelpie0
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Emily Campbell, director of design for the Royal Society of Arts, says, ‘The Times makes puerile sport of a series of branding exercises, but I have not doubt that in most cases the designers billed a fair wage for what they were asked to do.’She adds, ‘The point is what they were asked to do. The person who asked for a “brand refresh” sounds a lot sillier to me than the designer who supplied it. Civil servants need to get better at this - at identifying a genuine design opportunity, articulating what they like, want and need from the solution, and understanding what design is and isn’t for.’
---well said Emily Campbell.
This dude is clearly just deeply entrenched in a bun fight with his opposite numbers and I really think we should all rise above it.
He's a Tory MP for christ's sake
- foz0
Hands says, ‘No one is questioning the value of good design, but some of this public-sector work shouldn’t be commissioned. No patients benefited from the NHS anniversary logo and the end result was hardly inspirational.’"
He's right. He's not shooting good design, he's pointing out that nobody should have spent the money without first understanding what they needed to achieve. With a clear brief, design can add value, without a clear brief it is a waste of money.
The fact that he says "‘Modern graphic design [software] packages surely allow anyone with an average brain to design something as good as, or better than, what we see in front of us here." belies his intellect and understanding of design. Yes, it's sad, but it's not is job to know about design, it is our job to inform him.
This is a problem, not a new one, and not an easy one. Design can solve problems, so lets look at how we can do that. I strongly suggest that when dealing with politicians we forgoe the pointless letter writing and instead try and speak a language that they might listen to.